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Episode 56: A GAME OF THRONES, TYRION VII: "The Lion's Den" SHOW NOTES!

Hello and welcome to the Not A Cast … podcast: the one true chapter-by-chapter podcast going through A Song of Ice and Fire one chapter a week. I’m one of your hosts Jeff better known as BryndenBFish. And I’m your other host Emmett, better known as PoorQuentyn. Welcome to the fifty-sixth episode of the Not A Cast, entitled: “The Lion’s Den: An Analysis of AGOT, Tyrion VII,” in which Tyrion is finally reunited with Tywin Lannister, beloved father, friend to the smallfolk, and our very favorite character. This episode is brought to you by our Small Council: 

Thank you councillors very much! And welcome to Micah, Roxane and James!Spoiler warning: All published books - 5 novels, 3 Dunk and Egg novellas, histories, interviews, TWOW sample chapters, as well as Game of Thrones the TV show. Anything and everything!QuestionSnark Knight, a Sworn Sword asks:

Hi Guys,
As we step closer to Tywin being on-stage, do you have anything to say about the extra content in the World of Ice and Fire sample chapter on the Westerlands which features a few deleted scenes from Tytos and Tywin especially on the war crimes against House Reyne?

The extended Westerlands sample chapter is still available on George RR Martin’s website to read. So, if you’ve never read it before, go ahead and get on it!Tywin’s war crimes in the chapter:

SynopsisR’hllor grant me strength: I’m about to re-introduce you all to Captain Dies Shitting Himself: Tywin Lannister.Tyrion Lannister arrives at the camp of one of the two Lannister armies we might have mentioned last week. Ah, but he’s not alone. He’s arriving in style with Bronn and an entourage of classy clansmen come down from the Vale of Arryn. (Is ‘classy clansmen’ problematic? I should workshop that line a bit more.)Anyways, as I was saying: Tyrion’s arrived with three hundred merry companions in the form of the Stone Crows, Moon Brothers, Black Ears and Burned Men. Meanwhile, Tyrion left Gunthor behind to raise the rest of the clans. And Tyrion wondered what his lord father, the richest man in Westeros, would think of these mountain clansmen. Maybe it’d be best if he goes down alone, right guys? No.

Best for Tyrion son of Tywin, said Ulf, who spoke for the Moon Brothers.

Shagga son of Dolf agrees, stating that if Tyrion means to cheat them, he’ll cut off Tyrion’s manhood … and feed it to the goats, Tyrion finishes for him. Tyrion tries his best “you would question my honor” spiel, but the clansmen aren’t having it. They’re going to go with him. Well, not all of them. Tyrion specifies that he’ll only take a select few with him to the camp: Chella, Shagga, Conn, Ulf and Timett: representatives from each clan. And then they’re off.As Tyrion rides down the hill, he thinks about how absurd the clan system of governance was. Everyone participated in council session, even the women. How absurd. Besides, that’s why they hadn’t been able to rise up and take on the Vale, amirite bros!? It’s because of the women having a voice and not the violent abrogation of land rights by the government and strict racialist delineation of “good” Valemen and “bad” Valeman and how that political infrastructure strangely, strangely resulted in the bad Valemen being forced on up into the mountains and away from the good, fertile valley floor.Did I do a good enough mix of libertarian and socialist talking points, Emm? Anyhow, Bronn decides to tag along with Tyrion, because it’s fucking Bronn. Whatever. Tyrion then thinks back to the clansmen trailing him, thinking through each of the clansmen, before finally reflecting on Timett son of Timett, a war chief of the Burned Men. Now normally, these clansmen were regarded as fearsome creatures who mortified their flesh with fire, because okay. That sounds really painful. But okay. But Timett? Timett distinguished himself by taking a white hot knife and burning out his eye, because oh my god. And then they made him their war chief.The party progresses down to the encampment, and soon Tyrion comes up to the earthen embankment just out of way of any crossbow bolt. Hm, crossbow bolts. I wonder if we’re going to be seeing a lot more references to this weapon as we progress through Tyrion’s arc. Anyways, Tyrion shouts up asking for the captain, and Ser Flement Brax shows up and is fucking astonished that it’s Tyrion. He hesitantly allows Tyrion and his party to pass on into the encampment.Inside, the commoners sleep out in the open while the knights and lords erect smaller and lesser pavilions respectively. It’s 20,000 men or near enough as makes no matter, and Tyrion, somewhat similarly to Catelyn, makes notice of all the Westerlands sigils affixed to the larger, lordly tents: the red ox of the Presters, the brindled boar of the Crakehalls, the burning tree of the Marbrands, the badger of Lydden. It’s just your regular, old army of war-criminals.Men-at-arms and knights shout greetings and Tyrion and his curious party, but Tyrion has his eye on the prize: his father’s encampment. And where has his father, that motherfucking war criminal, set shop up? Why, at the Inn at the Crossroads with the burned out remains of the nearby structures surrounding the inn. And what better way to symbolize the type of real asshole that Tywin is than to also have a gibbet where he has someone hanging and being eaten by crows. And who is this mysterious person? None other than Masha Heddle whose “crime” was, uh, nothing. She didn’t do anything wrong, Tywin, you fucking asshole. But that’s not the way that Tyrion sees it:

A room, a meal, and a flagon of wine, that was all I asked, he reminded her with a sigh of reproach.

I don’t know, Emmett. That seems a little harsh especially given that the poor woman had no ability to effect fucking anything and then was subsequently murdered by Lannister goons?Ahem.Tyrion leads the party into the stables, and we get some hijinks between Shagga and the stableboy about whether the stableboy will steal Shagga’s horse and how he’ll cut off manhoods and feed it to goats and such, and then we’re on towards our first meeting with Tywin Lannister.Tyrion asks that he goes into the inn alone, and the Lannister guardsmen usher Tyrion into the inn to find Tywin in war council, and because I think this is just crisp, excellent writing on George’s part, I’m going to read our first full description of Tywin:

Tywin Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock and Warden of the West, was in his middle fifties, yet hard as a man of twenty. Even seated, he was tall, with long legs, broad shoulders, a flat stomach. His thin arms were corded with muscle. When his once-thick golden hair had begun to recede, he had commanded his barber to shave his head; Lord Tywin did not believe in half measures. He razored his lip and chin as well, but kept his sidewhiskers, two great thickets of wiry golden hair that covered most of his cheeks from ear to jaw. His eyes were a pale green, flecked with gold. A fool more foolish than most had once jested that even Lord Tywin's shit was flecked with gold. Some said the man was still alive, deep in the bowels of Casterly Rock.

Just, damn George. Way to set up a scene with a physical description and backstory brilliantly.Oh, and that other war criminal Kevan Lannister who is fat, has a beard and is balding is there too. He sees Tyrion first. He’s quite shocked to see Tyrion, but Tywin? No. He just stares at Tyrion before:

I see that the rumors of your demise were unfounded.

Thank you, Tywin “Twain” Lannister. I see you, George.Well, Tyrion is all sorry to disappoint dad by not being dead, and oh no, don’t get up and greet me. But thanks for going to war for me, father. Least you could. It’s all sardonic from here on out from Tyrion’s end.Well, in Tywin’s estimation, he didn’t go to war for Tyrion. He went to war, because the family honor was at stake. So, how’s the war going? Well, it’s been a victorious romp of cascading war crimes according to Kevan Lannister. Tywin and Kevan have marched in turn, burning out the riverlords east of the Green Fork while Jaime smashed the riverlords at the Golden Tooth and brought the war all the way to the doorstep of Riverrun. Ser Edmure was taken prisoner while Lord Hoster Blackwood took the survivors from the battle and brought them within Riverrun itself to hold out against Lannister siege.It’s a bang-up, easy Lannister victory … SO FAR. They just gotta get the Mallisters to surrender at Seagard and Walder Frey to capitulate like a coward. There’s also the Pipers and Vances that are attacking Lannister supply trains in the rear of Jaime’s army. And Lord Beric Dondarrion in the rear of Tywin’s army. Oh, and there’s that small, minor matter of Robb Stark at Moat Cailin. Shouldn’t be an issue though. The Lannisters hold Sansa and Ned as hostage. And besides, Robb is just a kid. He’s not real threat. The real threat is Stannis, according to Tywin, not some kid who should be playing with wooden swords and probably only loves the sound of war horns. He doesn’t the stomach for real war: butcher’s work. Amirite!? No, you’re not. Can’t fucking wait to get to Tyrion VIII and Catelyn X!And now, Tyrion, Tywin and Kevan need you to put a small force together to deal with Beric Dondarrion’s party annoying the Lannister rear. 

Father, is warms my heart to think that you might entrust me with what, twenty men? Fifty? Are you sure you can spare so many? Well, no matter. If I should come across Thoros and Lord Beric, I shall spank them both.

But first though, Tyrion has some promises to keep. He needs swords, helms, hauberks, pikes, spearheads, maces, battle-axes, gauntlets, gorgets, greaves, breastplates and wagons to … The door crashes open behind Tyrion, and a Lannister guardsman goes flying across the room like a vaudeville comedy act. In walks Shagga, breaking the Lannister guardsman’s sword across his knee telling him that the next time that Lannister dope attempts to bare steel against him, it’s knives, dicks and … oh, not goats this time. The dick would go into the fire.In burst in the rest of the clansmen along with Bronn who gives his customary whatever, dude shrug at Tyrion. Tywin asks who they are, and Tyrion again with sardonic says that they followed him and can he keep them? No one laughs, because it’s not funny. Kevan Lannister asks why these savages are intruding on their war council, and the clansmen are like, we’re not fucking savages, you oppressive, aristocratic little-dicks. We’re free-men, and free-men fucking belong on war councils. By rights. Sass the Lannisters! Sass them! Sasssssssssss!Okay, enough. Well, Kevan’s all about to draw his sword, but Tywin stops him and y’know give Tywin credit for one thing: he knows how to manipulate people really well. He tells Tyrion to introduce the clansmen to him. Tyrion does and then introduces Tywin to the clansmen as Tywin, son of Tytos of House Lannister, Lord of Casterly Rock, Warden of the West, Shield of Lannisport and once and future Hand of the King. That last bit about once and future Hand. You think maybe Tywin gnaws on grievance much? Anyways, continuing in his manipulation, Tywin deftly maneuvers the clansmen towards joining up with the them, saying that the prowess of the clansmen is well known in the west. But what brings you down from your strongholds?

Horses, Shagga says in perhaps the most understated hilarious line in AGOT.

But they also want silk and steel. And Tyrion is just about to tell Tywin how he wants to murder the shit out of the asshole nobles of the Vale as well as all the innocent smallfolk in the Vale but then the door crashes open again. It’s a messenger from Ser Addam Marbrand who reports that the Starks are marching down the causeway from Moat Cailin. And then we get Tyrion’s observation of Tywin’s reaction:

Lord Tywin Lannister did not smile. Lord Tywin never smiled, but Tyrion had learned to read his father’s pleasure all the same, and it was there on his face. “So the wolfling is leaving his den to play among the lions. Splendid. Return to Ser Addam and tell him to fall back. He is not to engage the northerners until we arrive, but I want him to harass their flanks and draw them farther south.

Kevan urges Tywin to hold out here at the Inn at the Crossroads -- a strategic point where Tywin could defend from Stark attack or move to help Jaime, but Tywin, like a moron, disagrees and says that they’re going to march forth and take on Robb Stark’s army so as to lure the boy lordling into battle. Kevan meekly backs off like a coward, and Tywin turns back to clansmen and manipulation:

It is said that the men of the mountain clans are warriors without fear.

Why yes, everyone says that, thank you for acknowledging this universally-known truth, Lord Tywin, the clansmen kind-of say. Well, Tywin wants the clansmen to ride with him against Robb Stark, and then they’ll have all the gold and weapons they could ever want. Ah, yes, about that. Thanks but no thanks, you scheming piece of shit. You’re gonna have us fight for you after we were already promised money and weapons by Tyrion. Sorry, wasn’t the bargain. But Tywin has a bit more manipulation up his sleeve, talking about how the northmen were made of ice and iron and his own men feared to face them in battle. How about now? Fight for us now? Yeah, sure. Now that you flattered us. We’ll wipe the floor with these northmen. Shagga adds in his dicks, knives and goats line. But Chella has something else in mind.

We will ride with you, lion lord, but only if your halfman son goes with us. He has bought his breath with promises. Until we hold the steel he has pledged us, his life is ours.

Lord Tywin turns his gaze back on Tyrion.

Joy, Tyrion says with a resigned smile.

And that is AGOT, Tyrion VII. I gotta admit, Emmett. Tyrion chapters may be the most fun to write synopses for. It always feels like George has the most fun in writing the chapters, and you can feel that fun on-page. So, it makes my job easier. And, this is a really fun chapter, y’know minus the war crimes, hangings, dick-chopping-offs and of course Tywin Lannister himself -- who I hate to admit: gets a stunning introduction in this chapter. Probably the best yet for a major character!DepthObviously, we’re introduced to a lot of characters in this first book! Starks and Baratheons and Targaryens and other Lannisters have all shown up before Tywin, but yes, the Lion Lord gets for my money the single best introduction in the entirety of AGOT. GRRM does an excellent job of establishing how Tywin has cut his way to the top by showing his political skills with the clansmen and his military skills in terms of bringing the forces of the Westerlands to bear so quickly. But what matters more for the whole of Tywin’s characterization, especially in terms of his relationship with Tyrion and how that relationship ends, is that this chapter focuses long and hard on what it feels like to be an ant under Tywin’s boot. From Masha Heddle’s corpse swinging in the wind to Tyrion feeling acutely aware of all his shortcomings under his father’s gaze, Tyrion VII frames Tywin as the ultimate authoritarian. Illyrio will say in a much later Tyrion chapter that Westerosi lords are far too arrogant about their sigils--cage up a Lannister with a real lion, and they’d learn the difference soon enough! But while Tywin thinks of himself as a lion because they’re proud and majestic, I think you can see GRRM framing him as a lion in the predatory sense, surrounded by what’s left of his prey and hungry for more...

Foreshadowing/GroundworkThe introduction of Tywin is an uncanny mirror of Stannis’ in ACOK: 

Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Dragonstone and by the grace of the gods rightful heir to the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros, was broad of shoulder and sinewy of limb, with a tightness to his face and flesh that spoke of leather cured in the sun until it was as tough as steel. Hard was the word men used when they spoke of Stannis, and hard he was. Though he was not yet five-and-thirty, only a fringe of thin black hair remained on his head, circling behind his ears like the shadow of a crown. His brother, the late King Robert, had grown a beard in his final years. Maester Cressen had never seen it, but they said it was a wild thing, thick and fierce. As if in answer, Stannis kept his own whiskers cropped tight and short. They lay like a blue-black shadow across his square jaw and the bony hollows of his cheeks. His eyes were open wounds beneath his heavy brows, a blue as dark as the sea by night. His mouth would have given despair to even the drollest of fools; it was a mouth made for frowns and scowls and sharply worded commands, all thin pale lips and clenched muscles, a mouth that had forgotten how to smile and had never known how to laugh. Sometimes when the world grew very still and silent of a night, Maester Cressen fancied he could hear Lord Stannis grinding his teeth half a castle away.

Same motifs of hardness, tightness, discipline. No smiles, no laughter. The similarities and differences between Stannis and Tywin, the way the former teeters between becoming the latter and improving on him, is a major theme of ASOS. The In the end Tywin Lannister did not shit gold from Tyrion’s final ASOS chapter gets its first reference here in AGOT:

A fool more foolish than most had once jested that even Lord Tywin's shit was flecked with gold. Some said the man was still alive, deep in the bowels of Casterly Rock.

In 2001, GRRM stated that the story Tyrion relates was deliberate set up for Tywin’s death:

Questioner: Were circumstances and timing of Tywin's death something you planned for a long time or another case of characters "taking initiative", like with Cat?
GRRM: That scene was largely written even before A CLASH OF KINGS was published. Hell, I'd been setting up that "Lord Tywin shits gold" line since his very first appearance in A GAME OF THRONES.

Tywin mentions Beric and Thoros dismissively in passing as “a pair of Ned Stark’s afterthoughts,” but they’ll only grow in prominence from here! Given what a thorn they’ll be in the Lannister side, it works so well that Tywin underestimates them here, just as he does Robb. Tywin briefly mentions how they took Raventree Hall from the Blackwoods while Tytos Blackwood was mustered at the Golden Tooth and then Riverrun. In Tytos Blackwood and Jaime’s conversation in ADWD, Tytos reveals what that actually meant:

“Your Mountain stole my harvest and burned everything he could not carry off. He put my castle to the torch and raped one of my daughters. I will have recompense."

Tywin and Kevan’s casual recounting of Raventree fell at once, and Lady Whent yielded Harrenhal for want of men to defend it. Ser Gregor burnt out the Pipers and the Brackens always, always minimizes the specific type of terror and war crimes the Lannisters commit in the Riverlands, and it’s good that we get a fuller reporting of the monstrosity of the Lannister war effort. Tyrion’s right: Bronn and Tywin do get along famously come ASOS! A little too famously for Tyrion’s liking, as it happens...Theory/DiscussionTyrion never gets to tell Tywin how exactly he intends to convert the Vale into Mordor, but what might he have said? How would you convert the Vale into Mordor, Jeff? I know you hate talking military scenarios, but maybe you’ll indulge me...

Conclusion

Comments

More intimidating than ramsey??? How bout the f’n mountain that rides

Ser Fif Whoresbane

Great work guys, there was a LOT to unpack in this episode and you covered it well. The mental/psychological analysis of Tyrion and Tywin was absolutely excellent. This may have very well been your best episode to date, in my humble opinion! Keep up the good work!

Keith Johnson


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