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Episode 44: A GAME OF THRONES, SANSA III: "Life is Not a Song" SHOW NOTES!

Hello and welcome to the Not A Cast … podcast: the one true chapter-by-chapter podcast going through A Song of Ice and Fire one chapter a week. I’m one of your hosts Jeff better known as BryndenBFish. 

And I’m your other host Emmett, better known as PoorQuentyn. 

Welcome to our forty-third episode of the Not A Cast entitled: “Life Is Not A Song: An Analysis of AGOT, Sansa III,” in which Sansa Stark gets creeped on by Littlefinger, fights with Arya and then makes an unwitting breakthrough for Ned in his investigation

This episode is brought to you by our Small Council: Hand of the King WolfmanZack, Grand Maester Timothy W, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard Mark N. Lord Travis, Master of Ships and Warden of the Waves, Ser Keith J, Master of Whisperers, Jancy O, Lady Commander of the Night’s Watch, Archmaester June, Healer of the Lesser Poxes, Ragged Michael, Warden of the North and our newest member of the Small Council Lord Philip the Merciful, Master of Laws. Welcome Lord Philip and Vroom-Vroom for another 6 years. Congrats and thanks for what you do! 

Spoiler warning: All published books - 5 novels, 3 Dunk and Egg novellas, histories, interviews, TWOW sample chapters, as well as Game of Thrones the TV show. Anything and everything!

Question

So, we’re going to do something a little different this time as it was requested by a few of you, but our friend JoeMagician had a poll designed to start fights. Here’s the question:

Pick one thing you would be okay removing from ASOIAF

And possible answers:

Given how little we fight here, it’s time for a good ol’ fashioned Valyrian steel cage match as to which thing we’d remove from ASOIAF.

Synopsis

It’s a Sansa chapter, and Emmett is giving me the look. You know the one: the one where I have to give the synopsis of a Sansa chapter. Sigh. Here we go.

Sansa Stark and Jeyne Poole enjoy a dinner alone as Arya is off at her dancing lesson, Septa Mordane’s feet are hurting and Ned is having a bite to eat with his boys. Sansa tells Jeyne Poole that her father Ned wouldn’t send Loras Tyrell to hunt down Gregor Clegane. It was probably his leg or something. Loras’s leg? Jeyne asks. No, not Loras. Her father Ned’s leg. It hurts him so much or else he would have sent Loras. Right.

Everything about what Ned was doing in King’s Landing confounds Sansa. If life down here was like the songs, then Loras, the shining knight of chivalry, would have gone after Gregor. He looked like a hero, slim, beautiful, golden roses in his hair and ... God … do I have to keep going, Emmett?

Okay, okay. Fine. Anyways, Ned had refused Loras, and Sansa was pretty upset by that. But Mordane had told Sansa that it wasn’t her place to question Ned’s decisions. And then Creepyfinger had arrived from the shadows after probably listening to some Further Seems Forever songs on vinyl. 

Oh, I don’t know, Septa. Some of her lord father’s decisions could do with a bit of questioning. The young lady is as wise as she is lovely.

Goddammit. Just … ugh. We’re going to have words later about this. Septa Mordane is mortified that Baelish was listening and tried to cover for Sansa, but Littlefinger brushes her aside and asks Sansa what she would have done. When she explained about chivalry and songs, Littlefinger traces his creepyfinger thumb along her chin like the grooming monster he is before saying:

Life is not a song, sweetling. You may learn that one day to your sorrow.

But now at dinner after, Sansa didn’t feel like telling Jeyne about that. It made her feel uneasy. Jeyne takes the Varys role and says that Ilyn Payne should have been sent. But Sansa’s not about that. Ilyn was another monster. Jeyne is glad that Beric went. He seems brave and gallant.

Sansa side-eyes Jeyne. Beric was old. 22. Loras was a much better choice. Jeyne had been in love with Beric since the Tourney of the Hand, but Sansa knows that Beric would never marry Jeyne. She was too far below his station to ever marry a daughter of a steward. But Sansa decides that it’s too impolite to tell Jeyne. So, she changes subjects:

I had a dream that Joffrey would be the one to take the white hart.

This is a lie as Sansa hadn’t actually dreamed that, but she knew that calling it a dream was better. Dreams were prophetic. Ha, oh George. Love the meta here. More later!

When Jeyne asks if Joffrey touched the white hart and did the hart no harm, Sansa replies that nah. Joffrey had shot it with an arrow and brought it back to her. Yeesh. Foreshadowing. But here we get an interesting note from Sansa that, admittedly, shows her growth:

In the songs, the knights never killed magical beasts, they just went up to them and touched them and did them no harm, but she knew Joffrey liked hunting, especially the killing part.

But Sansa is certain that Joffrey had nothing to do with the death of Jory. That was Jaime. And Ned was still angry about that. It ain’t fair to blame Joffrey for that. And, admittedly, Sansa is right about that. That’d be like blaming Sansa for something Arya did.

Almost as if reading Sansa’s mind, Jeyne blurts out that she saw Arya. She was walking on her hands in the stables. Why was she doing that? Sansa says she doesn’t know why Arya does anything. She doesn’t like the stables -- it’s the smell. 

Sansa changes the subject again, asking if Jeyne wants to hear more about things about the court. Jeyne says, sure. Why not. Sansa relates that a black brother of the Night’s Watch wanted men for the Night’s Watch. But he smelled bad when Sansa always figured the men of the Night’s Watch were like Yoren. Besides, the songs were always calling the men of the Night’s Watch black nights of the Wall. But Yoren didn’t look much like a knight. Bent-backed and ugly with lice, he was gross. Sansa felt sorry for Jon that he had to hang out with people like that.

Ned had called for volunteers from the Red Keep, and of course, because this is ASOIAF, no one had come forward. So, Ned had given Yoren command of the dungeons. Then two freeriders from the Dornish marches had come forward pledging their swords to Ned which he had accepted, and then …

Are there any lemon cakes, Jeyne interrupts, yawning.

Well, Sansa ain’t about being interrupted, but lemon cakes sounds oh so fetching. They head down to the kitchen and find no lemon cakes. They find a cold strawberry pie instead and ate it, giggling and gossiping. Sansa goes to sleep that night thinking she feels as wicked as Arya.

The next morning, Sansa wakes and goes to the window to watch Lord Beric get his men ready for the march ahead to pursue Gregor Clegane. Sansa is pleased that the sigil bearing the direwolf of House Stark flies alongside of Beric’s lightning slashed across a field of stars against a dark night sigil. Sansa sees Alyn and feels pride in him. He was going to be a knight one day, and he was riding side-by-side with Beric. 

Sansa heads to the tower of the hand to get some breakfast and sees Arya and Septa Mordane there. But the hall is empty. Where is everyone? Arya asks. They’re off to behead Gregor Clegane, Sansa sighs back at Arya. Sansa turns to Septa Mordane and asks if they’re going to behead Gregor and put his head on a spike on his own gate or bring it back to King’s Landing. Mordane is horror-struck, chiding Sansa for forgetting her courtesies. But Arya doesn’t care. She asks what Gregor had done. He burned down a holdfast and killed a lot of people. Arya has a thought about that:

Jaime Lannister murdered Jory and Heward and Wyl, and the Hound murdered Mycah. Somebody should have beheaded them.

She’s not wrong. But Sansa says it’s not the same. The Hound is Joffrey’s sworn shield. Your butcher’s boy attacked the prince. Well, shit is on after that. Arya tells Sansa that she’s a liar while she grips a blood orange so hard that juice flows through her fingers. But Sansa doesn’t care. 

Go ahead, call me all the names you want. You won’t dare when I’m married to Joffrey. You’ll have to bow to me and call me Your Grace.

And then Arya throws the orange at Sansa. The orange hits her full on the head and slithers down into her lap. You have juice on your face, Your Grace.

The juice runs all over Sansa, and her dress, her beautiful ivory silk dress is ruined. Sansa shrieks at Arya that she’s horrible and that they should have killed Arya instead of Lady. Mordane jumps up, shouting about how Ned will hear about all of this. She sends both girls to their rooms.

When Sansa protests that it’s not fair, Mordane says the matter is not up for discussion. Sansa heads off, refusing to cry. Queens do not cry in public. When she reaches her bedchamber, she throws her dress off and examines it. It’s ruined. Sansa screams that she hates Arya. Worse, the orange juice has bled into her underskirt. She cries herself to sleep.

At midday, Mordane brings Sansa to her father. Sansa had been dreaming about Lady, her Direwolf and her sad, golden, knowing eyes. She had been running with her. But now that the dream is gone, the memories fade. Lady was still dead again.

In the solar, Sansa finds Ned bent over a massive book. He tells her to come sit beside her. A moment later, Septa Mordane reappears, bringing a squirming Arya under her arm. Ned thanks Mordane for her service. As soon as she leaves, Sansa immediately accuses Arya of starting it and recounts what happened, adding in some detail about how Arya is jealous that Sansa is going to marry Joffrey and that she doesn’t want anything to be beautiful, nice or splendid.

Enough, Sansa. 

And then Arya shockingly states that she’s sorry and begs for Sansa’s forgiveness. Sansa is speechless, but then she asks about her dress. How would she fix it. Arya says that she’ll wash it, but Sansa retorts that the silk is ruined. Arya says, well, she’ll fix the dress. Sew it or something. 

You? You couldn’t sew a dress fit to clean the pigsties.

But Ned’s not about dresses here. He has an announcement. He’s sending everyone back to Winterfell. Both girls are shocked, and they beg Ned not to send them back. Ned smiles and says says At last we’ve found something you agree on. 

Sansa thinks it’s a punishment. She loves King’s Landing: the court, the fashion, the tourneys, the masked balls, mummer shows. And her father was taking that all away. Send Arya away. She started it. Father, I swear it. I’ll be good, you’ll see, just let me stay, and I promise to be as fine and noble and courteous as the queen.

Ned twitches at that. He’s not sending Sansa and Arya away for fighting. Yeah, they need to stop fighting, but they need to get the fuck out of dodge, because it’s dangerous here. His men are being killed, and Robert is neglecting rule of the realm. Arya is sullen and angry but asks if they can take Syrio back with them.

Who the fuck cares about Syrio, Sansa sort of asks. Besides. Sansa can’t go. She’s going to marry Joffrey. She loves him. Truly. As much as Naerys loved Prince Aemon the Dragonknight. As much as Jonquil loved Florian. She wants to be queen and have his babies. 

Ned tries a gentle approach. He’ll marry her off to someone worthy of her. Someone brave and gentle and strong. And Joffrey. Damn, Sansa. Open your eyes. That ain’t Aemon. Well, Sansa doesn’t want someone gentle, brave or strong. She wants Joffrey. They’re going to be happy like in the songs. She’ll give him a son with golden hair. They’ll be brave, strong lion and wolf. But Arya knows better.

Not if Joffrey’s his father. He’s a liar and a craven and anyhow he’s a stag, not a lion.

Sansa then says something that will change ASOIAF forever:

He’s not the least bit like that old drunken king!

Oh boy. It’s fucking on now. Ned looks at Sansa. Out of the mouth of babes. Ned shouts for Mordane. He’s still sending them back. And if Syrio wants to come too, he can. But goddamit, please don’t fucking say anything about this, okay girls? Everyone clear on that. Yes, you, Sansa, look at me. Please do not run off to the queen and let her know what we’re planning. Okay, great. We’re all agreed!

Sansa cries as Mordane leads her and Arya away to their rooms. They pass by Frank who’s been in his room since last summer. Mordane does her whole I am certain your lord father knows what is best for you bit which … sigh. Mordane. C’mon. Little more effort here. Arya tries to comfort Sansa, saying that they’ll sail on a ship all adventure-like. And they’ll get to see Bran, Robb, Old Nan and Hodor again! But Sansa’s not about that. Arya, you ought to marry Hodor. You’re stupid, hair and ugly like him.

She gets into her room, slams the door and then bars it.

And that is AGOT, Sansa III. Look, as much as Chloe claims that I’m on a redemption journey with Sansa. And as much as I think that Sansa’s pawn to player arc is a good one, I am side-eyeing most of Sansa’s words, thoughts and deeds here. But it’s still a good chapter -- one that kind of gets glossed over when people think about great chapters in ASOIAF. But it’s vital to progressing the plot forward and setting the character dynamics for things to come.

What did you think, Emmett?

Depth

Well, I think we should all take a moment to applaud Jeff for his courage in getting through that synopsis. Been a while since he had to do a Sansa chapter, and he got through it!

There’s a “calm before the storm” feeling to these last few King’s Landing chapters before Ned goes down in the throne room and everything changes forever for his daughters. That’s especially true in the case of Sansa III because of the bubble she inhabits, which is the central subject of her arc in this book. GRRM is gradually deconstructing her worldview in front of her, and every chapter contributes in its own way until the axe falls with her father’s death. 

Sansa III is about Sansa grasping for the dreams that worldview offered even as they start drifting away, “like trying to catch the rain with her fingers” as she puts it. She was able to both stand up to and feel sympathy for Sandor in Sansa II, but in this chapter the bearer of hard truths that conflict with the stories and songs is her father, which is a whole different dynamic.

Foreshadowing/Groundwork

As with previous Sansa chapters, we get foreshadowing of Ilyn Payne executing Ned in front of her:

Every time she looked at Ser Ilyn Payne, she shivered. He made her feel as though something dead were slithering over her naked skin. “Ser Ilyn’s almost like a second monster. I’m glad Father didn’t pick him.”

Speaking of which, all the talk about heads on spikes in this chapter will pay off for Sansa in the most hideous fashion...

Sansa flinging her dress into the hearth because of a “blotchy red stain” from the *blood* orange will repeat itself in ACOK, when her first period causes her to try and burn the evidence lest she be forcefully married off to Joffrey. 

Ned gives Yoren pick of the dungeons to get men for the Wall, and this is how Yoren grabs up Jaqen, Biter and Rorge.

Theory/Discussion

Our discussion this week is about something that doesn’t happen in Sansa III, but afterwards: Sansa goes to Cersei with the information about the Stark sisters’ impending departure from King’s Landing. How we should take this revelation (as we learn about it after the fact in Sansa IV) has been a long-running subject of debate within the fandom, and passions run high as they tend to in arguments about Sansa, so we thought we’d establish where we’re coming from.

Here is George’s take: 

The way I see it, it is not a case of all or nothing. No single person is to blame for Ned's downfall. Sansa played a role, certainly, but it would be unfair to put all the blame on her. But it would also be unfair to exonerate her. She was not privy to all of Ned's plans regarding Stannis, the gold cloaks, etc... but she knew more than just that her father planned to spirit her and Arya away from King's Landing. She knew when they were to leave, on what ship, how many men would be in their escort, who would have the command, where Arya was that morning, etc... all of which was useful to Cersei in planning and timing her move.

I agree with George in that Sansa did convey more information to Cersei than merely “we’re leaving” and we shouldn’t pretend otherwise. But Sansa’s goal is not to outright abandon her family for the Lannisters (as appears to have been the intent in the pitch letter). Her goal is to stay in King’s Landing by appealing to royal authority over Ned’s head. Her first instinct is go to Robert, but Robert frightens her so she goes to Cersei. She thinks she’s telling Cersei what Cersei needs to know in order to help her stay. Sansa does not realize that this is a big-picture move on her part, thinking of it in purely personal terms. Now, should she have realized the gravity of her actions? Well, that’s where we get into Sansa’s age and influences.

Something that doesn’t get enough attention is the roles of Ned Stark and Septa Mordane here. And as I say this, do I hear Chloe saying “She’s eleven, Jeff,” in the background? But it’s important to consider Sansa’s age and her influences at this time.

Ned Stark

Septa Mordane

Point is that no one is reasoning with Sansa, giving her the “why” on how things are. Everyone is dismissing her objections in very childlike ways with Ned making vague promises that he’ll get a better match for her. Of course she’s going to be angry, but her reaction was still … sigh … I’ll get grief here, but it was wrong.

GRRM wants us to sympathize with Sansa’s motivations, but informing Cersei of Ned’s plans was the wrong move. I know. She’s eleven. I get it, Chloe. But still, informing on Ned was bad. Sansa has some understanding of who Cersei is. Hell, she even says as much in her prior POV chapter when she tries to excuse Joffrey’s involvement in Lady’s death: 

At first she thought she hated him for what they'd done to Lady, but after Sansa had wept her eyes dry, she told herself that it had not been Joffrey's doing, not truly. The queen had done it; she was the one to hate, her and Arya.

Now, look, you sunzabitches: I get it. People aren’t logical. Sansa is making excuses for Joffrey by throwing all the blame for Lady’s death on Cersei. Could Sansa be doing the same thing here -- excusing Cersei’s behavior, rationalizing it to get her way of staying in King’s Landing and marrying Joffrey? Yeah. Of course. That’s how people do. And that’s what makes ASOIAF a terrific series. Sansa has to have an arc. She won’t make the right choices all the time -- especially this early in her arc. She has to fuck up to move up. 

The thematic impulse for Sansa throughout AGOT is dispelling her of the notions that songs have put into her head. Life is not a song. And if you try to force the song into coming true, you’re going to get Joffrey in the end. 

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