We Don't Talk about Dan Schneider: Full script
Added 2024-03-20 00:26:38 +0000 UTCWell, I finally finished the doc and wrote my rundown of everything. Please read it and tell me what you think. I'm very nervous and anxious about this one, but as soon as a few people give thumbs up I'm going to start recording it.
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I do appreciate you talking about that there is a larger systemic problem with Hollywood that people kind of want to ignore with finding a a convenient scapegoat. Like Dan Schneider is a horrible person but he was allowed to flourish because of a lot of people in power and the already toxic environment. The culpability that people want to attribute to just Schneider is ridiculous. He did a lot of things that are terrible but also isn't the only one to blame. I appreciate the tact you had with speaking on this topic.
jen
2024-04-25 21:50:21 +0000 UTCYou probably don't remember, but I'm a commenter who never watched any of these shows but was a fan of Jennette McCurdy from her online appearances. This is a topic I was looking forward to seeing you cover, if wary. I was optimistic towards you specifically though, since a lot of former fans of the shows seem to have watched your other videos, and the average take on Dan Schneider has certainly been...well you covered it. Maybe some of them could approach the topic with more nuance if they were introduced to it. It's an indirectly personal topic to me, but with how serious it is, it's SO frustrating to see how people treat it. I'm very relieved and happy to say that I enjoyed this. In fact, you mirrored so many of my thoughts around it, and I especially empathize with the experience of explaining "Dan Schneider is a fall guy" being met with "oh so you're saying he's innocent?" from people who know less about the topic than I do. I'm getting increasingly tired of the anti-intellectualism and personal absolution involved in "death of the author" because that's easier than addressing the root issues. It's weird to say with a topic this heavy and serious, but this made me feel a little better on a bad mental health day. Like no matter how many bad takes there are out there, that's the trap of doomscrolling, and there are plenty of people who can address things with sense. I can't fix the situation in Hollywood or corruption in the world or even some parts of my own life, but there are kind and articulate people who understand it, and I just want to thank you.
Chris
2024-04-03 20:05:23 +0000 UTCEveryone who thinks the Spencer reveal needed more build up needs to rewatch this from the beginning. I was in the same boat but upon rewatch there are many moments that make it very clear this was always the path we were on. I kind of wish I had written down these moments in my current rewatch because the foreshadowing is painfully beautiful. Every single mention of Head of The Class makes your stomach turn a little. Personally, I didn’t even register the show as something mentioned in the miniseries until this was posted and I started my rewatch. And doesn’t that make my stomach hurt a little bit more. I’m on the Scandal right now and the way my heart fell into my stomach when I got to the part about the third spin off. Knowing what I know now about HoTC has left me feeling entirely hollowed out. Quinton, this is truly a masterpiece of this medium. I tip my beret and theatre studies degree at you. this was peak dramaturgical analysis spread over 24 hours of content. but also like, dude I still feel sick from the latest We Don’t Talk foreshadowing punch to the gut. I can’t imagine having this be your main work for so long, I hope you’re finding ways to give yourself moments of peace when you can. Anyway I’m really glad Patreon exists because a few bucks a month is totally worth it to go on a stoned rant to content creators I think are neat.
Miriam
2024-04-02 02:38:19 +0000 UTCDrake Bell, a ton of the video is about it and he's whining on twitter that people have a good opinion of an abuse survivor because it's a PR campaign that makes his stupid vidoe look bad.
robbie
2024-03-31 23:09:42 +0000 UTC??? Since when did he mock an abuse survivor? when were we talking about that
bee
2024-03-30 13:42:21 +0000 UTCHe literally didn't say anything of value. He just does recaps, and because he didn't want to recap Jeanette's Book chapter by chapter he couldn't say anything. He has no thoughts or analysis.
robbie
2024-03-29 17:48:27 +0000 UTCYou can frame the video differently. You don't have to mock an abuse survivor for no reason just to not get sued ?!
robbie
2024-03-29 17:47:44 +0000 UTC"You didn't even bother to read Jennette's book" Someone's behind on the miniseries.
Mijon
2024-03-29 12:30:29 +0000 UTCI think he made it pretty clear that he’s using terms to make it seem like what he’s saying is speculation in attempt not to get sued. I’m sorry you interpreted it this way but I don’t know how you came to this conclusion.
bee
2024-03-29 03:15:40 +0000 UTCI watched the whole thing. It was a garbage video that was abuse apologia and I think Quinton should be ashamed.
robbie
2024-03-28 08:14:27 +0000 UTCAlso, I hope you know that Quinton had a whole segment talking about Jeanette in his video right before this one, where he shows us his physical copy of her book as he talks about it, and at the start of THAT segment, he clarifies that he doesn’t want to use many quotes or go too much into detail as a way to promote his viewers to get her book instead of him taking her story away from her and telling it for free. I don’t mean to argue with you but you seem genuinely upset and you’re paying money to be here so I’m wondering where this confusion is coming from considering he’s discussed his standpoint on her book already.
bee
2024-03-28 07:58:08 +0000 UTCHey I think you wildly misinterpreted what Quinton was trying to say. His point in that particular part, to me at least, seems like a commentary on Dan Schneider’s relationships with the kids on set and how they came to be. It’s not about the significance of Spencer as a character, it’s a connection being made that explains a lot about Quinton’s perspective on him as a person. This talking point also branches off into more points he makes during this segment so I’m wondering if you stopped watching right when Quinton started talking about Spencer being a stand-in to comment this.
bee
2024-03-28 07:52:19 +0000 UTCI'm really incredibly grateful that this series exists. If only because it gave one of my favorite creators a substantial boost. Also am i insane or is that final music thingy Harlequin from homestuck
LitchSpaghetti
2024-03-27 22:59:51 +0000 UTCAre you fucking kidding me? This video wasnt important because it's important to talk about how the culture of hollywood and TV enables abuse, or tell the story of the cast and crew who were harmed, but because you think a character from a long over TV show might be a stand-in for an abuser? Are you crazy? This is literally pathetic Quentin, your videos are usually good but you publishing this just makes the rest of the Icarly series look so bad.
robbie
2024-03-27 19:38:11 +0000 UTCLike, so funny that you didn't even bother to read Jeanette McCurdy's book which touches on this subject. The only time you reference it is when those quotes are already featured in the documentary you're stealing from! Your fake analysis season recap videos of Icarly were already bad but this is literally a new low. You should be ashamed, this is plagarism Quentin!!!
robbie
2024-03-27 18:05:15 +0000 UTCQuentin, this was not an excellent job. You really should have watched Hbomberguy's plagarism video, because this is exactly what he was talking about with the creator iilluminaughtii. We've all seen the original documentary you're cribbing from- there's no reason to watch this video instead. Lazy, uninspired work, and if your patreons asked for a refund for having to pay for this video I wouldn't be surprised. You can't just steal content!
robbie
2024-03-27 18:01:57 +0000 UTCCame here after the video as well, excellent job Quinton! I just wanted to comment on the last 4 min of the video where the screen is that fuzzy TV, it lowkey gave me a headache. I just opened a new tab and listened to you without the screen, no biggie but thought it might be worth mentioning.
Jan
2024-03-27 05:33:46 +0000 UTCJust came here after watching the video; I feel like this was a perfect conclusion to your coverage of the NSU and you handled all the topics so incredibly well and I completely agree with your takes on things. I don’t know what else to say but that I’ve watched this series all the way through and really appreciated your handling of the sensitive topics involved. I think people assuming this starts and ends with Dan Schneider is an incredibly dangerous perspective and haven’t been able to articulate that as well as you have but I’m glad you touched on that.
Elysa Caso-McHugh
2024-03-27 02:52:13 +0000 UTCJust came here after watching the video! Wonderful job!!!
YouTarzanMeJayne
2024-03-27 01:47:32 +0000 UTCcame here just after finishing your video, thank you so much! You have such a good way of talking about complex topics while still being respectful, at least in my opinion. This video made me really realize how much planning and thought went into this series, especially in the long run. Also, yepp, I'm not ready for the future as well.
Just Someone
2024-03-27 00:35:53 +0000 UTCJust finished the video! I really enjoyed it, but I expect you to get backlash about not giving more sympathy to Drake Bell (this is not a critique of you, I think the video as a whole was very good and accurate, I’ve just seen him 100% forgiven on the majority of social media these days). Can’t wait to see what’s next from you!
FaithsFuzzyCreations
2024-03-26 23:40:15 +0000 UTCSpeaking of the banality of evil, if you haven’t actually read “Eichmann in Jerusalem”, I do quite recommend it. (And for anyone who doesn’t know what I’m talking about, don’t worry, it couldn’t possibly be more depressing than Dan Scheider… right?)
Elsie Hupp
2024-03-26 22:46:50 +0000 UTCJust finished your video, it was excellent
nat
2024-03-26 22:10:38 +0000 UTCIs there any chance you could share the original 2021 draft of this video on Patreon? Now that you mention it in the video, I'm curious to see how your thoughts have changed since then and how you originally planned to address the DS stuff ^^
Cerra Matthews
2024-03-26 20:39:24 +0000 UTCApologies about the random things from me on the script. Loki the Cat was helping me read it. He's not great at writing, but we very enthusiastic about head diving on my mouse.
Jay P Hailey
2024-03-25 01:35:39 +0000 UTCA mini show I completely forgot about, and I don't think you have mentioned, is the "On-Air Dare", I've been trying to look for info about it but the most I've seen is what is on the doc. It was the "Fear Factor" thing that traumatized the All That cast. I remember not beingable to stomach it. Wasn't Dan involved in it?
SimonaJulieta
2024-03-23 19:43:21 +0000 UTCThe fact that Sikowitz, like Spencer, seems to have no life of his own outside of the main Victorious gang, whom he invites over his house (they’re high school sophomores) is just … very creepy when you think about it for any length of time.
Alice
2024-03-23 17:40:04 +0000 UTCYeah this is pretty fucking good
PiePie453 G
2024-03-23 14:17:21 +0000 UTCSo I read that Variety article, and it seems like Disney just failed to do a full background check before hiring Peck. They apparently fired him once they realized their mistake. Obviously not great, but it seems the Disney blame is overblown.
Richard Angle
2024-03-22 01:08:58 +0000 UTCThis is incredibly strong and you've done a great job tackling all the important angles to this story with the nuance it needs.
Brandon
2024-03-21 23:34:21 +0000 UTCinserting fetishes into childrens tv for child actors to unknowingly act out and for thousands of children to unknowingly watch is maybe not technically abuse but it is for sure exploitation, and I think just focusing on that stuff and laughing about it does detract from how messed up it is and leads to the other, worse things going on behind the scenes being ignored. They were using their power to harm those kids in a lot of different ways. The on-screen fetish stuff is one part of it. I get making jokes about it too but it does kinda bother me to see people *only* joke about it.
Mike R
2024-03-21 17:46:03 +0000 UTCIt's not the joking about it that bothers me, that's always going to happen. But it just feels like the actual abuse gets glossed over, almost as if people either don't know or, worse, don't care about the abuse. I understand the coping mechanism thing, but this always felt different to me
Scootinand
2024-03-21 07:18:30 +0000 UTCI gave perhaps the single most exhausted sigh of my life when you got to the part where Disney hired a registered sex offender almost immediately after he was released after abusing a child at their rival network. My immediate reaction wanted to be, like, "Christ. Are you fucking serious???" But all I could think was, "Yeah. Of course they did. Fuck this industry." I'm not especially well-versed in what went on behind the scenes of Dan's shows, barring what Jennette described in her book, so I may not be the best judge, but especially given your legal concerns and the restrictions you put in place to try and mitigate potential issues there, I think the script looks good. Separation of art and artist is a weird topic. It's... interesting seeing people apparently taking the opposite message from your actively talking around Schneider in your previous videos in the series - In my mind, it only made it even more blatant that, hey, the creator of these shows, by virtue of, you know, creating these shows, significantly impacted them and their content and everyone who worked on them, including the kids, and if you're aware of it, trying to plug your ears and cover your eyes to pretend his influence isn't there in those moments only makes it more obvious. If you'll indulge me, I find it reminiscent of the discourse around Harry Potter, and how (even putting aside the issues of monetary support from royalties and merchandise and how it's being used, or how the author has been open about considering support for the series support for her) her... biases, shall we say, are still present within the franchise, even if you try to pretend she's not the one who wrote those stories. To me, having to actively think your way Around the people who did bad things or put questionable or sometimes even just outright blatantly shitty things into the works that they created (whether in part or as a whole) when those aspects come up only brings it closer to the front of your mind. And while I understand the gut reaction of not wanting to have to acknowledge those aspects of a work, especially with regards to ones that were formative in your life, because they meant something to you and, for one reason or another, you want to hold on to that importance they held... I guess I just don't understand how people can divorce a work from its context so thoroughly for the sake of ignoring or justifying the harm it and its creator(s) have caused. I dunno. Maybe it's me. Maybe I shouldn't be writing this at nearly 1am, also ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ At any rate, I like the script. Here's hoping the recording and production go well, and may you not end up in any sort of legal fight (or YouTube copyright hellscape) when it's released.
Garnet Lane
2024-03-21 04:53:49 +0000 UTCI was thinking about this exact thing while watching the new documentary. I first heard about him being problematic through jokes my friends were making about the foot fetish stuff inserted into his shows, we were teenagers and it didn’t really occur to me until a few years later(and then again watching the doc where they specifically talk about it)how truly fucked up it actually is that he(and others)involved real child actors *and* the child viewing audience into his fetishes unknowingly. I think it’s partly because “haha dirty jokes in kids shows, bet you didn’t catch that when you were a kid” was like an annoying obsession the internet had for a while(maybe it’s still something people are obsessed over and I just haven’t seen it in a while), and I guess the fact it was feet stuff specifically which feels silly and weird- but people definitely treated it as more silly and didn’t seriously consider the broader implications of that imo. He did a ton of other bad stuff too but people zero in on that because it’s “funny” and right in front of our faces so it’s easier to comment on
Mike R
2024-03-21 04:38:08 +0000 UTCI will say this is different from what i expected. when you said this project would be similar to your bee movie project, I kinda expected the DS video to be an alternate universe where you went through the series and talked about all of the gross crap you had to see. I do really like this though, especially the emphasis that DS is just one piece of a very fucked up puzzle.
Amanda Kelly
2024-03-21 04:10:03 +0000 UTCit's a coping mechanism. we're exposed to so much negativity that people naturally try and spin heavy issues comedically. Everyone knows it's bad, in this case it's already a pretty well known issue too, and there's nothing *we* random people on the internet can do about it. See also: kms, 9/11
Chris Miller
2024-03-21 01:51:16 +0000 UTCEither way, looking forward to the video, even though I know my skin is going to crawl through most of it
Scootinand
2024-03-20 22:51:20 +0000 UTCHaven't gotten to read this script yet or see the Quiet on the Set doc, but I feel like this is probably the place to ask this question: is it just me, or when people talk about Dan Schneider do they seem to be more focused on memeing about "lol, feet stuff," rather than the whole, ya know, abuse and exploitation of minors? Again, still gotta read this script, so idk if it comes up in there, but it really feels like this situation didn't treated seriously sooner because of the memes.
Scootinand
2024-03-20 22:50:24 +0000 UTCIdk if I missed anything, but have you heard of the situation about Brandon Eaton and Victoria Justice on Zoey 101? He was 21 and she was 15 and they had several kissing scenes.
William Hogwood
2024-03-20 22:20:48 +0000 UTCThis is powerful. It's a lot just to read through it but I can't imagine how much of an experience it was writing this.
Not Sharing
2024-03-20 21:19:03 +0000 UTCI just had to roll my chair away from my desk and said "oh my fucking god" out loud when I saw how many episodes of icarly DIDNT HAVE FEET CONTENT. oops hit enter too early but: all that aside, i'm about halfway through and i think this is really excellent and nuanced analysis and i so appreciate the in depth research that you've so clearly done
Sara
2024-03-20 21:15:34 +0000 UTCI'm not going to wildly speculate on such things out of some desire to paint Dan as the worst person to ever live
Kyle
2024-03-20 20:50:10 +0000 UTCI think what you said about Spenser and Helen is so very true and same can be said about Sikowitz on Victorious. I think this adds to the overall "icky" feeling you get around any adult who is featured on these TV shows. The child-adult relationships on set were so warped that it was inevitable for it to bleed onto the scripts. An incredible, well-written video I cannot wait to see!
Emily O.
2024-03-20 18:49:48 +0000 UTCDan did the right thing in the Brian Peck situation because Peck abused a boy instead of a girl. Honestly it wouldn’t surprise me if Dan was also homophobic on top of all his other issues.
Richard Angle
2024-03-20 17:24:19 +0000 UTCReally thought provoking stuff here
Nathaniel Foga
2024-03-20 17:21:57 +0000 UTCI read the whole thing, it’s honestly incredible. You have a very reasonable take on the whole thing, and this feels like a very fitting ending. There’s many moments and observations in here that are really gonna stick with people. The writing is extremely well done.
rose mulet
2024-03-20 16:59:29 +0000 UTCI agree- something to be considered maybe
Leah Zielinski
2024-03-20 13:32:57 +0000 UTCI only read part of it so I don't get spoiled because honestly, other people are going to make better criticisms while I'm just gonna watch it and enjoy it anyway. I just wanted to say something important: this situation fucking sucks, man.
Ben S
2024-03-20 06:11:41 +0000 UTCInterestingly that line is only in the first edition physical copies of her book. The ebook and future copies changed it to “the creator”
x
2024-03-20 05:38:28 +0000 UTCAll reads well to me! I am ALSO not ready for the future.
Carly Dingman
2024-03-20 05:31:14 +0000 UTCThanks, and great icon!
Kyle
2024-03-20 05:01:22 +0000 UTCGotta say: this is a great script. Phenomenal stuff, Quinton. Thankfully I'm not the only one who felt they let Drake Bell off easy in Quiet on Set. I just had this feeling of "oh that's so sad, but that's what they want me to feel: sad". It's very True Crime. The John Wayne Gacy reveal shocked me so hard I had to lie on my bed staring at the ceiling while listening to Wish You Were Here for a solid 40 minutes. One thing I will point out that both QOS and the script never did: Jennette actually does mention Dan by name in her book. It's only once, when she and Debra have the dinner to discuss the hit spin-off Just Puckett (still cannot believe that was true, although coming from Dan, it seems likely). Just thought I should mention it. A bit of a word sandwich there, but I thought it to be important to say. Keep up the good work, Garf-man.
Jorge Rosado
2024-03-20 03:55:09 +0000 UTCJust finished reading this after finishing Quiet on Set. I think you knocked this out of the park. I can tell you put a lot of thought and a lot of work into your analysis and the result is careful, compassionate, and honest. I really loved your reminders of what really matters amidst all the discourse that's inevitably going to arise from QOS: it's much easier and more comforting to think the industry's problems died with the scapegoat. The stories and experiences of the laborers/ literal children in the business are concerning enough on their own merits without needing every salacious true crime rumor to be true. Great job Quinton-- I hope you've got some well deserved rest, peace, and good vibes coming your way soon.
Hazelhaunt
2024-03-20 02:35:30 +0000 UTCthe boogie interview is so bad, if you're gonna watch it, watch it on yewtube, don't give Dan warp the views
Amanda Kelly
2024-03-20 02:25:29 +0000 UTCthis is absolutely wonderful, especially your final analysis. i do wonder if applying your unique voice and perspective to the Creator's rebuttal on the DanWarp channel might be a nice closer?
dawn
2024-03-20 02:25:24 +0000 UTCfrom everything i've read of the script, i'm incredibly impressed with the way you've approached this topic. i think you handle this conversation with a necessary critical eye that addresses what has transpired while simultaneously acknowledging its personal and systemic nature. it's the kind of nuance that Quiet On Set lacks (from what i can tell, because i've only seen the first 3 episodes), and my hope is that more conversations of a similar nature will be had that stem from this analysis. i'll (try to) briefly echo a couple other sentiments that other patrons have brought up. it does appear that the DanWarp YouTube channel has released a 20 minute video where BooG!e and Dan talk about Quiet On Set. i haven't watched it and i'm not sure how much of the content would change what's been brought to light or recontextualize any of the points you've made about the environment of his shows, but if you do feel like mentioning it, it might be worth discussing near the end of Part 4 - where you say "just because Dan Schneider did the right thing when supporting Drake Bell against his abuse, doesn’t mean that everything abusive he ever did is magically okay.". it might also be helpful to change the tense when discussing DanWarp from "was" to "is", since the assumption was that the channel was defunct since its last upload (although i doubt anything else will ever be uploaded). the second point concerns the Head of the Class reboot segment at the end. i personally love this and was looking forward to seeing how it connected to the content of the video when you posted it here a couple months ago. i agree with others that it might flow better to have some additional text preceding it. this could probably be done in a way that doesn't require you to edit any part of this pre-recorded conclusion section. the easiest way to do this might be to swap the placement of sections 6 and 7 (before the conclusion section, obviously). that way there are two back to back sections (5 and the former 7) focused specifically on Dan's legacy as it pertains to the writing/characterization of his shows and how his legacy extends to the system that he helped create and maintain (and likewise maintained him and others like him). the former section 6 could then discuss the overall legacy of the show from the perspective of the viewers and actors, and why that gave way to the reboot. this could then be used to talk briefly about the ways in which corporations try to capitalize on nostalgia in hopes to simultaneously turn a profit and regain viewership from an audience that might no longer trust them (which seems to be a bigger priority than addressing the environment that's failed its actors). when that doesn't work and they don't see the returns they're looking for, they're happy to cancel and write off projects, which might pose consequences for the actors and other creatives who are trying to forge a new legacy for their show without the looming shadow of DS hovering over it. i assume when you get to the reboot video later this year, you'll touch on similar points, but it could be a nice precursor to indicate to viewers that this is where we're going at some point. it also nicely wraps up the overall arc of the miniseries that started with an examination of how digital media was perceived when iCarly first premiered and how it's viewed now - after the reboot was cancelled. sorry this is long. other than those two comments, this looks fantastic!
Michael Belt
2024-03-20 02:12:24 +0000 UTCit is BAAAAAAD and its so disappointing to watch Boogie be SUCH an enabler. Dan pulls some fake tears over the Drake shit and Boogie never asks about the more horrific things that came out about Dan. EDIT: he also pretty much discounts the stories of other Black actors experiences on Dan sets
Amanda Kelly
2024-03-20 02:11:41 +0000 UTCif it were more believable that sam and cat were children, goomer would be an inappropriate adult as well. why would a 27 year old need to practice dating on an apparently 16 year old cat
Amanda Kelly
2024-03-20 02:09:57 +0000 UTCThis is perfect. No notes. I’m honestly so glad you took a nuanced look at this entire situation because the discussion around Dan recently has felt way too true-crimey. Like a lot of videos I see talking about this situation use dark dramatic music or speculate on insane conspiracy theories (like Dan being the father of Jamie’s baby) when like you said, the issue is the system and the way they enable abusers in this industry. This definitely made me think about the way I perceive these shows, and the line where said “why are we more protective of our favorite characters than the actors who played them” really gave me pause. I was also shocked by how easy they were on Drake Bell in the Quiet on Set documentary. I was waiting for a moment where the interviewer would ask him about the things he did and push for accountability, but they just pushed past it like it didn’t really matter. Very disappointing. Can’t wait to see the full video!
kissbubbly
2024-03-20 02:00:18 +0000 UTCI think that the fall guy section is particularly good. You really captured a lot of my frustration with how people talk about this stuff.
Hedrigal
2024-03-20 01:44:41 +0000 UTCJust finished reading and I only have one critique... That ending just doesn't fit with the rest of the video (in my opinion). It seems off topic to have the final lines be about an HBO Max reboot. I do think it's fascinating to hear they even tried rebooting Head of the Class, but it doesn't feel important enough to have it be the final thought we're left with. IDK I'm sorry I can't offer more constructive criticism and give you ideas for what the ending should be, I just know this one doesn't feel like a narrative conclusion to an otherwise amazing script.
Tori
2024-03-20 01:44:25 +0000 UTCYou handled this subject more maturely and seriously than Insider.
Hedrigal
2024-03-20 01:38:50 +0000 UTCI greatly enjoyed the script and think that it covers the topic very well. I very much agree with setting the rules up early and making sure to call back to them. I enjoyed the ending Head of the Class segment as a look into what is going to come for us in the future without major changes. Im excited for the video
DaRat333
2024-03-20 01:34:05 +0000 UTCI do think the final Head of the Class scene is a bad end to the video. Fitting it in earlier might've been better. Otherwise I do think you could be a bit more forceful on certain points. It's a great script, I wouldn't change much at all. I would agree with what another commenter suggested with having more build-up to the Spencer Shay = Dan Schneider. Bringing up Coco and Captain Man, as well could make the point hit all the harder. Elaborating a bit more I think could hit even skeptics of this idea.
Agent Quasar
2024-03-20 01:29:15 +0000 UTCI'm also still not really sure about ending things with talking about the Head of the Class reboot, as it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with your thesis on child actors being mistreated in the industry. I agree with your statement in that moment, but it feels like an awkward thing to end on, unless I'm totally missing something. And if you or somebody else can explain why this final segment is needed, I'm all ears
Eric McInnis
2024-03-20 01:23:17 +0000 UTCAlso, I don’t know if it’s worth covering but Dan Schneider released a response video to the documentary where he’s interviewed by the guy who played T-Bo. I didn’t watch it, so I don’t know if he says anything worth acknowledging, but I don’t know if it’s worth acknowledging in the script so the comments don’t bring it up.
SnakeFighter64
2024-03-20 01:14:29 +0000 UTCThis notification popped up right after I finished watching quiet on set and honestly, I think it’s better than Quiet on Set. It feels more comprehensive about him and feels like it has an actual point to it rather than just listing allegations and finger wagging at edgey jokes.
SnakeFighter64
2024-03-20 01:12:59 +0000 UTCGenerally have no problems with the new content added and find much of it solidly built. Especially part 5, which had my jaw on the floor. I will say though that in the Helen segment that it's not really fair to call her show Happy Times a "teen sitcom". Like the show is a parody of Good Times in particular, and that's not really a show about teenagers (at least at first). Just kinda seems awkward, though I know it also sounds like dumb nitpicking over such a minor detail nobody will notice.
Eric McInnis
2024-03-20 01:12:15 +0000 UTCI think it's really good and it's gonna make for a great video, and I know you've already put a lot of work into it, but I think I have a couple things I think you could expand on to really hammer home some of the key points you're trying to make here. Cause some of these points are really good, true "hot takes" that people need to hear and pay attention to and understand fully. So the first things is this point: "But that’s the wrong way to look at this. The correct logic is this: Something could have happened, thus there should have been clearer boundaries." Fully agree with this 100%. And I feel it needs to be heavily emphasised, maybe restated again in different words. - Don't fixate on hypotheticals, focus on the actual bad stuff that happened here, that's provable because it's something concrete and definitely real that needs to be fixed. The second bit is your thing about Dan Schneider being Spencer Shay. I think this is a very convincing argument and I'm on board with this idea. I think it needs more of a build up, however. You kinda lay the ground work early on when you discuss how DS failed to be the adult in the room and how he was around this honorary adults as an honorary kid but because there's a lot of gap between that point and then you linking it to the Spencer character. I think, if possible, it needs to be more of like a 'throughline'. (I'm just gonna emphasise IF possible cause I know you've got a tight deadline here). My reasoning is that because your take will be very shocking for a lot of people, others with stronger nostalgia for Spencer may need a little more convincing. (Also, potentially you could link Captain Man and Coco as having similar roles with them being in these inappropriate relationships with child characters) Now honestly this is me being kinda hyper-critical and I think the video already has the potential to be one of, if not, you're best yet. These are just a couple things I picked up on that could really make it perfect, imo. Cause I really appreciate what you're trying to do and say here and I want you to make those points as clear as possible. Thanks for all the awesome videos these several years. I've loved them all, the one's on the main channel and on Re2s. Can't wait to see you cross that finish line with this one and all the other projects you have brewing for us also reach their final form. Sorry for the length of this, I'm just really excited about this video.
J Singh
2024-03-20 01:12:05 +0000 UTCJust finished reading it all. And I felt this is a very good video. It’s feel very focused and respective of the actor’s experience and various testimonies we’ve got over the year. I especially like the later sections. I think they cut through the sensationalism around Dan and addresses the real environments that were putting child actors in danger. Which I felt was very in line with Jennette’s book. Like Dan was obviously a bad guy but the industry is full of bad guys and no one was looking out for these kids.
Cort
2024-03-20 01:04:48 +0000 UTCHoly shit.
Sorio99
2024-03-20 00:59:31 +0000 UTCcool
Gamechamp best girl
2024-03-20 00:43:04 +0000 UTCNo it means I will but a while down the road. I need a major break.
Kyle
2024-03-20 00:42:53 +0000 UTCI went to read over the section about the most recent revelations and felt it was well done and respectful. Well done pulling that together in such a short amount of time! A small correction, I believe Bell revealed the extent of the abuse to his mother within a year or two at most, not “many years,” since the arrest was in 2004 and the abuse started after the 2002 cancellation of the Amanda Show
Erin Cosgrove
2024-03-20 00:38:51 +0000 UTCGreat. Can't wait to see it in full.
Damien Wade+
2024-03-20 00:36:16 +0000 UTCseems good. im just wondering, does this mean you wont cover the icarly reboot?
Gamechamp best girl
2024-03-20 00:35:10 +0000 UTCHope your surgery went okay/will go okay! I'm going to read this soon but just wanted to wish you well.
Hazelhaunt
2024-03-20 00:29:40 +0000 UTCLooks good bro!
Laffs Not Laughs
2024-03-20 00:28:45 +0000 UTC
