Ep. 190 Premium - aiden burger clicker [VIDEO]
Added 2025-03-14 00:22:04 +0000 UTC00:00:00 - derm rolling
00:01:00 - putting plasma into your face
00:03:13 - aiden is dealing with how slime set stuff up
00:04:40 - business school
00:06:15 - pyramid prostitutes
00:07:50 - going to the mall
00:10:40 - mall chipotle & target starbucks
00:12:57 - nick & miles get some grey steaks
00:15:05 - getting mugged
00:18:00 - rent in LA right now
00:19:16 - as a couple, would you like separate bedrooms?
00:27:14 - zipper 2 watched something scary
00:29:03 - cuddle mattress
00:30:30 - 'you're playing another?'
00:33:05 - the office gun
00:33:50 - vibecoding
00:41:10 - a discussion about AI
00:55:11 - the AlphaGo documentary
01:01:41 - something is lost using AI
01:06:25 - the aiden burger clicker
01:09:10 - thanks for watching!
Comments
in my perfect world, the ai discussion in this episode is what all of lemonade stand is. i think aiden's more technocratic perspective being balanced by people who create and value art (and are willing to engage in earnest discussion about it - no offence to ludwig, but i don't think this episode happens in the same way if he's in the room, which is a shame because i totally believe he *does* have real thoughts and opinions to contribute, he just often seems reluctant to vocalise them outright) makes for a way more interesting and thoughtful discussion than LS, imo. i know it's not the mission statement of this podcast and probably not something nick and slime would ever be interested in doing consistently, but i genuinely really found it interesting.
bee
2025-10-06 09:37:02 +0000 UTCAlexsmokesmid needs to listen to the last half of this primo
Abad95
2025-09-09 00:53:07 +0000 UTCThe beds where the head part and feet part can move up and down are so fucjking comfortable im so fr
iggy
2025-04-09 18:41:22 +0000 UTCchose to watch this premo first after resubbing purely because i saw burger and i like burger
shirley
2025-03-30 20:01:32 +0000 UTCThey all piss and shit and cum on the Reg eps but Lil Mouse & Cuddler on the primo
Mary Coffelt
2025-03-28 17:27:23 +0000 UTCWhat’s a food court like in a pyramid is great
Motetote
2025-03-26 20:15:26 +0000 UTC@Nick and Aiden, the idea of a "creative decision" for the go AI is not how you would think of a creative decision. I'm assuming you're talking about a new tactic that people haven't tried and it ends up being "good". alphaGo has experience evaluating moves to determine the rating of them and then can also very quickly check future positions based on the options for its next move. A creative move isn't really in the discussion for it's logic- it simply follows the move that it calculates to have the best outcome. It is like the chess engines but it offloads the processing effort because the model has learned an "intuition" for what is good and it doesn't actually have to evaluate *every* move because it can just focus on what it knows to be better from step 1. The reason it seems so crazy for people is because people don't have that intuition or have an incomplete version of it. It really is a numbers game- AI can review outcomes far quicker than humans can and, in turn, it reviews so many more outcomes. For genAI like chatGPT, it's closer to just producing output that is statistically likely to be relevant in the context of what has come before it. It isn't necessarily "good" or "better" than anything else as far as the AI is concerned. It is just probable to be expected. The 2 AI models are for fundamentally different purposes. AlphaGo is deterministic while LLMs like chatGPT or the vibe coder AIs are probabilistic. That's why LLMs hallucinate so much. There are also a bunch of different types of AI- like a BUNCH. Comparing alphaGo to ChatGPT is sort of like comparing pencils to oranges for things that roll. There is similarity, sure, but the purpose of each is almost completely unrelated even though they can both be applied to similar contexts.
Jason Zasserr
2025-03-24 21:12:51 +0000 UTCThis is one of the most engaging discussions I’ve listened to in a long time. Not about AI specifically, just people expressing their thoughts about a topic in a respectful and intelligent way. I was listening intently the whole way through, which I often don’t with podcasts. Glad I re-joined the Premo.
Corey Aikens
2025-03-24 12:56:49 +0000 UTCwhen used correctly, it truly can be a great tool for specific, targeted learning assistance, which can be useful in nearly every field. unfortunately, the biggest use for it right now seems to be generating slop in order to cut costs
reece
2025-03-24 10:55:37 +0000 UTCnicks ai explanation makes sense and ive been sayin it about music too- it lacks the ability to synthesize organically
Cooper Grosscup
2025-03-24 07:36:48 +0000 UTCthat go manga aiden is talking about is my favorite manga ever (granted it's the only manga i've ever read all the way through)
shai
2025-03-23 21:04:34 +0000 UTCThis is the "Apples and Oranges" of AI conversations
Xavier Solomon
2025-03-21 02:48:54 +0000 UTCnick was running that goal post to the endzone after aiden went on his ai go mansplain
fraud.records
2025-03-20 16:06:16 +0000 UTCAI is currently neutering the human mind. Kids are getting dumber and dumber and now they have a tool they abuse that allows them to think and use their mind even less. Even customer service chatbots are garbage when you have a real issue. AI can be a great tool if used correctly but so far I haven’t seen a single redeeming quality for it.
Phoxal
2025-03-20 15:29:42 +0000 UTCBoth normal and premium episodes are just so much better without Ludwig LOL
Jack O'Brien
2025-03-19 15:18:16 +0000 UTCTarget does not hire baristas, they just put people that already work at target in that department. They work for target not Starbucks
Phoxal
2025-03-19 15:15:02 +0000 UTCI hate AI so fucking much. But also I’ve never felt actually more comforted by Slime’s takes lol. It feels so dystopian that we’re ruining the environment so someone can type a few prompts and feel like they did something. Not to mention all the theft that AI art just never got punished for. The worry that every time I push something out into the world that I worked on it could just end up in a database somewhere without my consent so it can steal from me is fucking depressing. I make things for people. Not companies who don’t wanna pay for the material their shit is trained on. This is episode was one of the few conversations about AI that I’ve seen that actually felt human and sane instead of the privileged and callous.
espercharm
2025-03-19 00:41:09 +0000 UTCI think Nick is really on to something with the AI topic. I think a lens to look at this through and be scared is how humans perceive color is based on your language for color. For instance in Russian they have a name for blue-green which is much more common than any English word for that concept. If you take a Russian native speaker they can distinguish between blue and blue-green noticeably better then an English speaker. Even though we have the same eyes and brains the way we arrange that data is somewhat based on labeling. And with AI we might hamstring ourselves into only thinking the way AI can generate.
Blaine Ragsdale
2025-03-18 23:58:21 +0000 UTCsweet ep, y’all should watch “The AI Revolution is Rotten to the Core” by Jimmy McGee, i think it’s a strong argument in support of Nick’s points.
beba
2025-03-18 21:35:38 +0000 UTCslime didn’t talk for so long i thought he left. also this was a really cool episode i love the conversations about cuddling with girlfriends and the sharp turn to discussing the dangers of AI
Madeline
2025-03-18 19:11:33 +0000 UTCI think the problem with the AI argument on go is that you left out that they don't 'teach' the AI how to play the game. It just shows it a bunch of outcomes and lets it make decisions, and they even found out later that they could beat the AI because it didn't actually understand the rules of the game. Most of AI is all black box bullshit where the researchers don't even really understand why the AI is making the decisions that it is making. There are a lot of things that it will just inherently be better than us at, like video games. I think that there's likely no game that an AI wouldn't be able to beat us at, they have more processing and faster reaction times than us. Creativity at the moment it is not even close on, it can only mix/match what it was given.
Destro
2025-03-18 16:45:26 +0000 UTCVery wise Mr. Randy Savage.
alex dam
2025-03-18 16:31:21 +0000 UTCI’m too fucking stupid and tired for the ending topic of this premo 😭😭😭
omelet
2025-03-18 15:03:54 +0000 UTCNick would think AI replacing people is bad up until the point he could get AI Hailey Williams on the pod lol
Jebber
2025-03-18 14:37:04 +0000 UTCThis is the way
Justin O'Brien
2025-03-18 14:10:03 +0000 UTCAnyone know what puffer jacket slime is wearing? He looks like spike spiegel🤠
Donny Berry
2025-03-18 12:44:18 +0000 UTCAbout the AI thing; It's not that black and white. You can use AI as a tool and mostly that's what you'd want to. It is your assistant. And I don't think it's bad that people can vibe code games. It's impressive even. But how these shitty games find any attention is beyond me.
Philipp Meier
2025-03-18 10:58:36 +0000 UTCI work as an artist, and I can say that, already, the pools are getting poisoned by AI. Sites like Pinterest that used to be big for reference searching are now plagued with AI slop for every search you can think of. I personally still believe that AI is a bubble that will eventually pop given how big a money sink it has proven to be with no profitable use case in the horizon. Not only does it just regurgitate stolen art/content, but the type of person that is giddy about using it has little to no creative merit, so the work just stays generic and soulless. Not only that, but I'm also not a believer in that feeding a machine libraries of information magically will give it sentience, which is basically the bar to be as reliable as a human at complex tasks. So, I hope that the models crumble under their own weight before we get more trash littering the internet
thatmfdiego
2025-03-18 02:49:55 +0000 UTCSure, but most people never even *mention* the environmental aspect of it. AI is talked about in like every tech bro’s podcast and it’s rare people even think of the environment component, much less consider it a front and center issue we need to address. That’s not a good sign.
Joseph Lupo
2025-03-18 02:44:19 +0000 UTCAs someone who has worked in CG for 10 years and has seen the landscape change so much with more advanced tools each year. And has been laid off many times with each cycle of "many people to do something to less people to do something". It's basically the industrial revolution again... it's just AI instead of assembly lines and mass production taking all the handmade bespoke artisan and craftsman work. I guess we are full circle except sending people BACK to physical trades now. 🥲 Was recently again laid off recently and finally decided to try and be a pilot because at least by the time AI pilots take over I'll be retired 😵💫.
Pixel2Plastic
2025-03-18 01:58:32 +0000 UTCbet
Seen
2025-03-18 01:49:15 +0000 UTCThe problem is our source of fuel, not AI. what we need to counteract it is nuclear power, it's what we should have been continuing to invest in decades ago. It's the most environmentally friendly and efficient. Green energy is both inefficient and unsustainable but can be used to compliment nuclear. AI is an inevitability, and we must adapt, if we don't, then we lose
Justin O'Brien
2025-03-17 23:42:19 +0000 UTCI think a big problem with vibe coding is it's represention as the only avenue for using AI to code. you can have it teach you how to code, once you know enough you can spot errors and resolve them yourself or point it out to the AI to get better results. You can work with it instead of just having it do all the work, and at this point you sort of have to if you truly WANT to fully execute your vision as it exists in your head. I could make a similar argument for some use cases for AI art as well. It can be a collaborative effort! It's not so black and white, and even if most people put out slop, the cream of the crop will rise to the top.
Justin O'Brien
2025-03-17 23:26:15 +0000 UTCTake a drink every time Nick says “like”
Kritur
2025-03-17 22:44:47 +0000 UTCthis is such a great ep. deconstructing the nuclear relationship is one of my favorite topics fr
dj khaled
2025-03-17 21:48:11 +0000 UTCBro, no you're not lmao
JSL
2025-03-17 21:33:13 +0000 UTCI’m a senior researcher at one of the big LLM labs, and damn bro it’s kinda crazy how well spoken Aiden is on this topic 👏
Seen
2025-03-17 16:41:31 +0000 UTCBeen in a relationship for 6 years and living together for 4 and I do indeed like alone bed time for a period and then we like cuddle time in the morning
JMSC
2025-03-17 15:39:03 +0000 UTCWhat is “go” I’m not aware of this game
Logan Bruh
2025-03-17 15:30:50 +0000 UTCgenuinely i loved this premium ep.
Haris Rehan
2025-03-17 04:44:56 +0000 UTCNo, he's right. Hikaru no Go is based and why we had a Go club in high school that met up about once.
Nuance
2025-03-16 23:51:14 +0000 UTCIm a manager of a mattress store, can say that adjustable beds are the best. Also Helix are pretty nice too
Ace Padget
2025-03-16 23:43:33 +0000 UTCDo they know pyramids are tombs??
LegallyBrody
2025-03-16 19:30:13 +0000 UTCGreat Premo. Thought provoking, got a little intimate, and still funny. The main EP crowd don’t know what they’re missing
Cryptid Summer
2025-03-16 18:08:30 +0000 UTCUltimately I think I disagree with Nick on an axiomatic basis re the “souls” or “creativity” that AI cannot and will not ever replicate, but I still loved this ep and the conversation he and the boys had. Getting perspectives like these into more people’s head feels really important for the coming decade(s) as AI becomes more and more present in our lives. In other words: POGGIES good faith discussion!!!
jacob beaudway
2025-03-16 17:12:19 +0000 UTCLots of valid points through the ai section. Gave me a lot to think about but I’m kinda under the impression that (specifically with the section Nick mentioned about people iterating an idea from the shortcomings of the ai) people will still be people and those crummy spots won’t be enough for the people that it matters to. For example Oompaville recently had a game development team push out Black Pine something something. The concept in the beta I played was interesting but frankly a bit boring and lackluster. That was with a full team of people he had paid. When he saw the beta product he decided to completely change direction, scrapping seemingly all of the current stuff and starting learning game development for himself. He’s currently making the game with a much much smaller team and doing a significant portion of it including the coding and whatnot on his own so that it can be closer to his vision. All that to say the dreamers will continue to dream no matter the situation. Ai or not, if the product doesn’t match the vision, someone will fix it (with the exception of triple A studios because fuck you for dicking the creative process for a few suits chasing ads)
Dickass
2025-03-16 17:09:59 +0000 UTCWhen is dnd
cripmas
2025-03-16 13:44:06 +0000 UTCnick accidentally vibe codes roblox’s “+1 fat per second”
joey
2025-03-16 12:33:10 +0000 UTCthis is the last place i thought i'd hear about vibe coding lmfao you showed the tweet where the term came from, but this guy (karpathy) is a real AI researcher. the problem is that the term has been hijacked by grifters who are churning out shitty apps to make money. the example you detail with the ads, was made by one of the biggest AI grifters, it only got traction because the guy has a large following, not because of the quality of the "game" or code. the core problem of "vibe coding" is that it genuinely isn't real yet. as a software engineer, i don't work on any particularly difficult problems, but the current models are simply not capable of understanding a full codebase. it can nail small sections of features, but all these vibe coding games popping up just aren't real. aiden is right in that now the barrier to entry for "programming" is drastically lowered, but there's more to programming than just writing the code. you can skip on security, performance and maintainability when working on small personal scripts/apps, but these people will never get real programming jobs because they don't know how to audit the code the models are spitting out. an actual programmer using AI as a productivity boost will 100% of the time run laps around "vibe coders" simply because they understand the slop that's being generated.
Kyle
2025-03-16 09:03:39 +0000 UTCI love nick's analysis on vibe coding
Alessandro Belotti
2025-03-16 08:12:13 +0000 UTCYk maybe Ludwig is right nick is a bully
Daboop333
2025-03-16 04:39:31 +0000 UTCepisodes like these are why im a patreon member
dex
2025-03-15 21:49:04 +0000 UTCI work for a plasma company if y’all need a couple bottles on the low just holler atcha boy Hey RFK Jr if you see this no you didn’t
Cale Morgan
2025-03-15 21:42:42 +0000 UTCngl lost me in the AI part
Hyja hi
2025-03-15 20:47:34 +0000 UTCa good shawarma spot will always be my top choice at a mall food court. a great consistent main, tabbouleh salad & garlic potatoes are great sides, and my local spot always has ayran & dr pepper 🥰
mia
2025-03-15 17:27:47 +0000 UTCBrother there are already more actually good books written by actual people with a heart and a brain than you could ever read in your entire lifetime a hundred thousand times over. Turn off the slop chutes it’s not too late
Daimondz
2025-03-15 15:15:28 +0000 UTCThat was a thoughtful discussion of AI I think. The only part that was missing for me is the environmental degradation aspect. I think AI is quickening the real “lose state” for humanity which is fucking over the environment to the point that most economic systems just collapse under the weight of constant disasters. This was also my main “problem” with crypto (tho there were obviously many)
Joseph Lupo
2025-03-15 14:49:18 +0000 UTCI think it depends on ur self identity. Andrej karpathy is more than capable of producing things without llms, but I also dont think it's that bad. If someone wants to fuck around and make something because the tooling is there, that's kinda cool
YyNRCyY
2025-03-15 14:29:31 +0000 UTCBut vibe coding is 100% gambling imo. You feed it your design intent, pull the slot lever, then check if it worked. Its addicting in the instant gratification sense, then paired with the rush of " oh I hope this revaion does what I want exactly. Maybe it'll even add something cool I didn't think of". It will work like 70% of the time, get me 70% to what I want. Its also a gamble with time; I can have the AI just try again if it fails, but it might take half an hour or an hour to solve it, but in all honesty if I just knew more about the foundations of the coding language I could have fixed it in two minutes with two lines.
BigW
2025-03-15 14:26:59 +0000 UTCI honestly love vibe coding - BUT, my use case is solely personal. Just making scripts for tools for myself at home, not for profit. For profit is extremely weird and gross.
BigW
2025-03-15 14:05:55 +0000 UTCI'm a jazz musician, and while I'm not worried about AI stealing my job, I do get pretty pissed off when people say AI is going to replace art in any capacity. I just think that AI should be completely separate from the arts and leave it up to people to do all that. No matter how well an AI can fill up a wine glass, it will never be a truly human expression.
Joseph Wasilewski
2025-03-15 13:23:51 +0000 UTCMy homies and me would go crazy at the mongolian bbq place growing up. We'd fill the bowl up with meat and then go take the carrots and make a wall around the exterior of the bowl and then go back and fill it up even more.
Patrick Kiefer
2025-03-15 12:22:43 +0000 UTCi come here to listen to my young street soldiers
Josh
2025-03-15 10:53:19 +0000 UTCi think hearing what nick has to say about AI and hearing what Doug said about AI on ep1 of lemonade stand getting the two of them to talk about it together would be something so interesting to listen to.
Izack Wagner
2025-03-15 09:05:08 +0000 UTCi know a guy that works at a target with a starbucks and he was both a target store clerk AND a starbucks barista depending on the day so i think in most cases, the target baristas as not real barista, just target employees that say in their resume that they can also make coffee.
emuriram
2025-03-15 08:26:10 +0000 UTCAlthough the gimmick would probably get old FAST
Aidan .
2025-03-15 07:13:11 +0000 UTCI agree that a real book will always have something that an AI book can’t replicate, but an endless book sounds pretty cool man
Aidan .
2025-03-15 07:11:53 +0000 UTCThe original AI problem Nick is talking about actually points to one of AI's biggest and potentially insurmountable technical problems (at least what we call AI today, machine learning etc.). When it comes to art and even the creation of photo-real images/videos and whatnot there is a contradiction that slowly makes it worse and worse. As AI creates more content it slowly poisons it's own dataset with AI generated content that WILL contain AI rooted errors, assumptions, etc. This actually compounds into something called "model collapse" that renders the AI completely useless. Due to this, we would have to somehow silo all AI generated content and prevent AI from using it and humans will HAVE to continue making completely human produced art to add to the data OR Models as we understand them (regardless of computation power) will collapse before Nick's fear comes true. This has been one of my biggest problems with machine learning "AI". It's inherently limited when it comes to the continued production of content. Funnily enough I think Ludwig really tapped into the true value it could provide, which are narrow use cases that are actually useful for learning a skill that could otherwise be inaccessible, like finding a language teacher. In the end the Human using the AI actually gains the language skills and doesn't just talk to people through a translator.
Matt
2025-03-15 05:29:07 +0000 UTC25:29 slime possessed by tiffy for a moment, raw
Tyler
2025-03-15 05:20:41 +0000 UTCMy name is Aiden Berger
Aiden Berger
2025-03-15 04:26:00 +0000 UTCSlime lookin like Hasan out here with his little ass head in that coat lol
Spoon
2025-03-15 04:00:06 +0000 UTCi like when they get so into a topic that they go over the time a little bit, not because we get extra but because those conversations are more genuine and interesting because you can tell they all are invested into it
Caleb Lytle
2025-03-15 03:31:45 +0000 UTCthe targets on the east coast have been better than the normal ones in my experience.
dylan
2025-03-15 03:26:49 +0000 UTCI got one of those tilted bed frames (shout out dead neighbor i got it from) they rock. i put it up one setting and i dont use pillows anymore, or sleep on the floor.
dylan
2025-03-15 03:24:48 +0000 UTCI work at a Kroger that has a Starbucks and they do just hire people who apply to Kroger without a preference of department.
Matthew Ritt
2025-03-15 03:22:57 +0000 UTCTarget Starbucks employees are target employees not Starbucks employees
ItsReidgd
2025-03-15 02:37:33 +0000 UTCAiden showing the male pattern baldness in this one
Bizzybopz
2025-03-15 02:12:11 +0000 UTCJust lost a Tekken set and I'm choosing to believe it was over how distracted I got laughing at "the grocery store with savings"
J. Y.
2025-03-15 01:28:01 +0000 UTCReally good post talking about exactly Nicks fear https://maggieappleton.com/ai-dark-forest/
Phillip Cunliffe
2025-03-15 01:02:43 +0000 UTCI am seeing Aiden Burger Clicker being an amazing Steam Early Access for a million years game.
Gabe
2025-03-15 00:31:30 +0000 UTCive never thought about it that way that is so insanely funny
lemoneevee
2025-03-14 23:37:28 +0000 UTCWinCo is the best!
Samuel Grant
2025-03-14 23:31:20 +0000 UTCI’m a student in chemical engineering going to graduate this year and I’ve used it a good amount of times for stuff. Usually to write the barebones of a python code for some calc or help check my work with some of my assignments. I even used it in my internship as a process engineer to help with finding the viscosity of a process stream I was looking at. However it has never gotten everything 100% right and I have to know what the answer should look like. So I agree with other people that it can’t replace people with knowledge and experience on a subject. Maybe in the future but it still seems pretty far from it.
luna1337
2025-03-14 23:17:03 +0000 UTCEven though Ludwig isn't in this episode, he is still very bald and should be ashamed.
TheOneFallen
2025-03-14 23:15:57 +0000 UTCI guess this is a Lemonade Stand episode
Chuck
2025-03-14 22:59:42 +0000 UTCJust kidding slime this was a banger
Bake Mo
2025-03-14 22:29:59 +0000 UTCI came here to laugh not have an existential crisis
Bake Mo
2025-03-14 22:29:49 +0000 UTCI thought his ass was talking about pokemon go ima be fr
TrashyPandius
2025-03-14 22:02:15 +0000 UTCI have an interesting view of ai art taking over my passion of origami. I can see how it is really easy for drawn/painted forms of art can be easily copied by ai, but because things like origami or pottery are 3d, I would be interested to see how it creates those kinds of artworks. Like sure ai could create a fold pattern for a model, but it hasn’t done any work other than planning. Like so many people take a model’s instructions and add tiny differences to make a model more lifelike or to fit their taste. I do believe that soon ai could create 3d models of origami models, but I don’t think it will ever get to a point—even when humanoid robots are powered by AI—of having the human touch and human error that often occurs in the folding process.
Maddie Brown
2025-03-14 21:40:56 +0000 UTCI think that's a misinterpretation of Nick's idea. the fundamental problem that Nick is trying to say (i think) is generative AI doesn't understand the metaphysical nature of a wine glass even if it generates an image of a wine glass. Giving AI a bigger reference pool doesn't change the fact that fundamentally AI doesn't "think" like a human would. And the worry is how AI would change the creative process of an artist through its ease of use and its ability to replace the whole process of creating art. Transforming the cycle of Artist makes art - inspires new generations of artists by future art being inspired by what ever AI thinks a wine glass and maybe changing its metaphysical nature. Personally you don't need AI to expand your art style by combining two art styles. That's something you can innately do as a human being living in the physical world, like that's what the creative process is fundamentally.
Frznape
2025-03-14 21:14:23 +0000 UTCI'm in a Qdoba right now and I'm the only person here. It is genuinely hard to hear Aiden over the music they're playing here. I'm like leaning over the table as I eat so I don't miss anything. It shouldn't be this way. I can watch YouTube with no issue. Please Archie Please
Next Scion
2025-03-14 20:44:01 +0000 UTCHello. I have a bed that can sit up (it also vibrates) I don’t use it as much as you think one would… maybe once a month 🥴
loopudoopu
2025-03-14 20:39:34 +0000 UTCI’ve lived with my partner for 7 years in a pretty small place, and overall it’s great! But I will NEVER stop yearning for separate bedrooms until we can make it a reality, someday 🤞
Shae Kababy
2025-03-14 20:39:22 +0000 UTCOn the Go Ai, it does work the same way a chess bot does. The difference is that chess bots, old ones, were hand coded and not trained in the way LLM are. Functionally it is still calculating all the possible moves and then using some fancy math from that picks the move that given all the context available has the highest odds of leading to a match win(if you want to be more technically correct its more accurate to say it has the context of all the games it was trained on as reference stored in the matrices, it then uses that in combination with the current context to calculate what to do, so it isn't raw calculating all the moves possible after each move as that would take ages for every move). Go Ai still suffer from all the flaws all LLM do like hallucinations and what not but over the course of a match the Ai will just make significantly fewer mistakes than a human that it guarantees a win, because a human cannot keep the same amount of information in their head as the Ai. Humans are significantly better at context switching though, so something like Smash for example no LLM style Ai (least currently) could come anywhere close to a human because there are simply too many variables and conditions it has to consider and switch between.
abhorash
2025-03-14 20:16:04 +0000 UTCVibe coders are just the programming equivalent of all the losers who think making ai art makes them an artist.
abhorash
2025-03-14 19:24:32 +0000 UTCAs someone that mostly interacts with AI in a STEM context this whole episode was super interesting to me. In my opinion AI (as it exists now) should and could never create art that can be considered creative or original, but like was mentioned, it is a bit more fuzzy when dealing with coding and science-related topics. What I've mostly noticed using AI while programming is that while it is incredibly useful, it subjects me to be a worse programmer. Asking Copilot how a certain function works or asking for an example of how to implement something is well and good, and even auto-complete is fine if the work isn't particularly novel. However, the consequence of a tool that can work 10,000x faster than a human is that it will write a solution that "works", but is objectively not the best or most efficient way to do it. It's a sort of brute-force method that substitutes actual best practice. In that sense, AI is a great tool for coding, but a dangerous one. In the same way that I wouldn't want some dumbass teenager recklessly driving a combine harvester, I don't think it's good for aspiring programmers and scientists to use AI in lieu of experience and theory. AI ultimately allows people to more readily achieve things they couldn't normally do. That *can* be great, but oftentimes it is the journey, the tedium, and the struggle of learning any discipline that gives experts the requisite ability to discover and accomplish new things. In that sense, I think the reason it pisses me off so much when tech bros claim themselves artists and innovators through AI tools is that they are "skipping the line" and claiming titles reserved for those who worked for it. All of that is also assuming AI is always right, which it definitely is not, but that's a whole other thing.
phdsnek
2025-03-14 19:11:21 +0000 UTCMy friend managed a local big lots and now he’s so happy he’s unemployed
Louis DePonceau
2025-03-14 18:51:30 +0000 UTCalso, it’s kind of insane to me that we created the internet to do our thinking for us and now we’ve created AI to search the internet for us. like asking siri to google something lmao we’re now two steps removed from any sort of critical thought
nommads
2025-03-14 18:37:04 +0000 UTCbest way to solve the video game issue is to date someone that also plays games tbh, then it never comes up lmao
Nick Austin
2025-03-14 18:33:52 +0000 UTCon the topic of the overflowing wine glass; it’s like the difference between a large man-made lake and the fucking ocean. we didn’t create the ocean but we can conceptualize it, we even technically come from it. but the lake is only as deep as we fill it
nommads
2025-03-14 18:32:31 +0000 UTCShout out nicks jeans where'd he get them from???
Kai Monteath
2025-03-14 18:22:03 +0000 UTCdude they closed the Mongolian bbq at my mall. loved stacking my bowl
Andrew Niziolek
2025-03-14 18:12:51 +0000 UTCMy ex wife and I had a bed that the back raised
Hbomb 621
2025-03-14 18:09:02 +0000 UTCIt's maxed. I'm simply asking for the peak volume be the same for both. I drive a work van that's rather loud and my phone doesn't support aux even with an adapter. I use a Bluetooth speaker. But if that speaker dies during the work day then I struggle to hear the premo with only my phone volume while driving my van. It's also just noticeably quieter on my speaker if I'm listening on a job.
Next Scion
2025-03-14 17:04:27 +0000 UTCI wish there was a Marxist on the roster for these types of discussions LMFAO
rids
2025-03-14 16:56:24 +0000 UTCWhat if you turn the volume on your phone up 2 notches
Deebee
2025-03-14 16:39:07 +0000 UTCI sleep on one of those adjustable beds and honestly I never use it unless I have a woman with me it's just uncomfortable falling asleep while it's not flat
Shawn Meni
2025-03-14 16:33:29 +0000 UTCI worked at a Target Starbucks in an area that didn't have any regular Starbucks within driving distance. We were the only game in town. I got trained as an actual barista and we used actual Starbucks ingredients including coffee beans, but it was managed by Target managers who couldn't give less of a shit about how Starbucks operates. So we ended up trying our best, but shit was so terrible that we would always end up looking worse than a normal Starbucks. Also most of the customers were horrible, but that's nothing new for Starbucks or Target.
Jo Nothing
2025-03-14 16:06:00 +0000 UTCI think it's the contrast of the funny boys who always talk about my favourite things, now talking serious, but this primo was premium comparatively to the other primos. having another show or some other content, that separates the funnies from the main content, to only talking serious bean, would make me upgrade to that tier
Ktoree
2025-03-14 15:51:34 +0000 UTCTop tier ep. Love the intellectual yard.
Ame
2025-03-14 15:48:16 +0000 UTCCan Archie please raise the audio on the patreon. I go from the main to this and its like I turned the volume on my phone down by two notches
Next Scion
2025-03-14 15:47:06 +0000 UTCCS:GO
Austin Green
2025-03-14 15:38:32 +0000 UTCit’s hilarious the yard patreon ep without ludwig has a more thoughtful and nuanced conversation about AI than the Lemonade Stand one 😭 awesome episode boys 🫡
Austin Green
2025-03-14 15:36:46 +0000 UTCludwig is gone, we can have mature, intelligent conversations 🧐🍷
Joseph Garcia
2025-03-14 15:15:07 +0000 UTCI literally knew somebody who worked for Starbucks corporate, and they’re right. The storefront Starbucks gets a specific training from a corporate trainer. The Starbucks inside Target typically gets trained by the Target managers, with some of the same training materials from Starbucks corporate. It’s typically why most Starbucks that are inside the grocery store only do like half the drinks (and are worse in quality).
RestingStitchface
2025-03-14 15:13:01 +0000 UTCIt's funny how deep they get when Lud isn't around
Slawncha
2025-03-14 15:12:26 +0000 UTCIt's nice when ludwig isn't here to bully slime
Bashar Teg
2025-03-14 14:46:59 +0000 UTCalso a lot of coding is more about the high-level architecture, conceptualization, design etc, and AI is even more dogshit at that than just returning random small snippets of code you could've googled
f0x
2025-03-14 13:24:08 +0000 UTCTo Nick’s point, art has always been limited by the available tools. Cavemen could never have depicted lifelike 4k resolution Mario Goatse.
Aguycalledmax
2025-03-14 13:23:46 +0000 UTCthe starbucks on the severed floor is great, or so I'm told
tkberget
2025-03-14 12:45:32 +0000 UTCThere's a big lots a town over from where I live and it is DEPRESSING like it's BAD
Johl
2025-03-14 12:17:22 +0000 UTCYess, this is also why few people watch bots play chess. Bots play to perfection, but they are not creative, being creative means you sometimes give up on perfection to achieve a beautiful game or to trick your opponent. In the Mango analogy it's the same, Mango may not beat a bot, but he can make intricate plays to trick his opponent that a bot would never make, because they're not technically the best play. The bot doesn't have the same understanding of the game Mango does to be creative in this way.
Jan Jaap Meijerink
2025-03-14 11:13:43 +0000 UTCYeah aleksa got baby foreskin put in his face in that one
bill clinton stan account
2025-03-14 10:59:57 +0000 UTCmy parents recently bought one of thoses beds
Martin Gomez
2025-03-14 10:45:49 +0000 UTCSo what is go?
slyotic
2025-03-14 10:40:08 +0000 UTCbig lots literally just went out of business. with maybe a handful of current locations
spella!
2025-03-14 10:29:50 +0000 UTCTo comment on the discussion around AI and nicks concern for the limitation of its reference pool. Why cant we feed in to expand the reference pool? The pool does not have to be fixed to a set size. It is constantly expanding and although will never (I agree with your point) replace the human element of art in terms of lived experience and emotion which is displayed / imbued into art; I believe it can be a very powerful tool to artists who are looking to expand their style by asking it to combine two art styles or preferred artworks which can lead to an inspiration of a new working method or personal philosophy
Callum Harding
2025-03-14 10:29:07 +0000 UTCas a fellow socal/oc kid, nick talking abt mongolian bbq and genghis khan and the patting the bowl hack is peak mall experience for me too, my bf maximizes his bowl every time and packs that bowl and we just share, it HITS when you're starving as a college student
caro
2025-03-14 10:16:00 +0000 UTCSo not sure about target, but I worked at a hospital as a chef. And we had a Starbucks stand. The ingredients were from Starbucks, however our employees had no idea how to make the drinks. They just give you a big booklet to reference and sent smaller ones for special drinks. But I often had to make coffee drinks, and I had no idea what I was doing ever.
justin f
2025-03-14 10:08:11 +0000 UTCDidn’t boyboy and ididathing make a video on the blood boy to the face stuff
slyotic
2025-03-14 08:42:30 +0000 UTCAiden I saw that same TikTok
Jonathan Diaz
2025-03-14 07:37:04 +0000 UTCi love you guys, dont listen to what all of the haters say <3
Porygon2fren
2025-03-14 07:07:48 +0000 UTCi was just on instagram and saw this shit @aiden_hater_51 aiden take a look pls
Ibrahim Dhanani
2025-03-14 06:16:28 +0000 UTCMy local WinCo has armed security out front
Benjamin Hernandez
2025-03-14 06:12:57 +0000 UTCThis is a great episode
lockheed fartin
2025-03-14 06:12:36 +0000 UTCi love when yard episodes get more thought provoking it’s fun to hear the insight of other people who are more ingrained in a particular space that also have nuanced opinions and aren’t so polarized
Toxic Felony
2025-03-14 05:23:04 +0000 UTCI have one of the beds that can move up and down and can confirm it is insanely comfortable and great to watch tv on
evanf133 TR
2025-03-14 04:55:54 +0000 UTCI think the crux of the AI discussion is that AI can replicate the decision making of humans over a simulated timespan of thousands of years in order to develop a level of intuition beyond even human professionals which is why they are so good at things like games (for example Go) BUT they are still machines that run purely on logic and as such cannot have creative leaps in logic in the same way humans can which is why they fail at art (like making a full wine glass). Essentially I think it boils down to, an ai cannot have an intrusive thought, no sudden sparks, no randomization, they can only intuit patterns from previous information. This very well may change with the advent of quantum computing though as that would introduce randomization to computation and that is closer to human thought than it is current computers.
Logan Bearry
2025-03-14 04:46:01 +0000 UTCSolid early ep of Lemonade Stand.
Michael Simmons
2025-03-14 04:37:52 +0000 UTCWinco is and always will be elite
Kenzie M
2025-03-14 04:23:13 +0000 UTCMe and my girlfriend have separate bedrooms, it's fuckin sick we just get to sleep over and have our own space
Andrew Uddin
2025-03-14 04:22:14 +0000 UTCdoes anyone know the hoodie aiden is wearing it look super cozy
Mateo Rodriguez
2025-03-14 04:08:07 +0000 UTCAimen shoe looks like a hoof
Tom
2025-03-14 03:42:11 +0000 UTCI think that's why AI art feels more.... wrong, than perhaps a game.
Fraser
2025-03-14 03:42:01 +0000 UTCits insane that as a conputer science major i had to pay to have the nitty gritty details of machine learning and artificial intelligence explained to me and slime just basically explained data abstraction and data-based linear regression through terms like “vibe coding” and “overflowing wine glass”. My five dollar yard sub is my only well spent money.
dog sandler
2025-03-14 03:39:02 +0000 UTCI think the thing that about AI art that feels "wrong", or how it feels "un human", is how there is nothing that ties it to any form of identity. If you look at a piece of art drawn by a human, even if you don't know who the artist is, you have a frame of reference because you understand the "human" identity. You can appreciate how other people have different perspectives and how they manifest that differently creatively. I think that art is inextricably tied to "human" and its hard to see AI art being even in the same category or looked at as even the same thing, because it's not really something we can relate to. 🙆♂️
Fraser
2025-03-14 03:32:15 +0000 UTCNot trying to get patreon banned... But coding is not dissimilar to painting a canvas or drawing a picture simply because there are a set of constraints and AI is *not* good at doing it. Despite what you hear/see ai bros talk about on twitter. I lead a team of developers and there are a few that, at this point I would say primarily, use AI and their output is DRAMATICALLY lower; less functional, less exciting, less eloquent, less readable, more error prone, more fragile, and overall each bit of code they write is less and less integrated to every other piece of code that has been written or generated by AI. There are developers who use AI and they use it to a high level of effectiveness; but they were already very good programmers. I'm talking in the top 2-5% of engineers I've ever seen and a lot of what they do is simply replacing google searches for things they already knew. A lot of the time we see the AI respond, and it's wrong, but it's close enough to something we already know that we get the information needed out of the wrong answer. Which is a situation where a less-informed engineer would take the wrong answer and build something more brittle or simply just not functional. But regardless; to Nick's point, a lot of what you see humans do in coding is not to "win". There are a million and one ways to code a video game or website or application that's exactly the same; and some ways of coding it would be more preferable to others in ways that I don't think AI systems solve for. Coding is very much a creative endeavor much like any other art form and that creativity is required to build solutions that aren't just one-shot brittle messes that irreparably break whenever you want to add a new stat type or something
James Horton
2025-03-14 03:32:02 +0000 UTCnicks actually in the ballpark about target starbucks baristas, theyre hired as target employees and are given significantly less punctual training from what ive heard
Donovan
2025-03-14 02:57:36 +0000 UTCI think that the GO example comparing to melee wasn't necessarily one to one and that as an overarching idea AI won't be able to beat humans in like fighting games. There are fundamental experiences unique to humans like deducing the non verbal signals your opponent gives off that may influence how they will fight or what they will do next. So in the given example of mango predicting up air an AI will never be able to do that unless it has enough data and footage of the crowd, the air humidity, full body shot of mango's opponent, and more. I think that when it comes to games that can be one just by probably and moneyball like chess where the attitude of your opponent matters less the AI will destroy and has always destroyed shortly after being trained. But I think we are hundreds of years out from AI being dominant in like an overwatch/cs/valo because there is just too much to consider. However, I think that the scenarios that come up where a human experience in a fighting game or something is needed to win are a little rare. So AI will always work towards defeating human opponents more often and more often but never completely.
Kolby
2025-03-14 02:52:01 +0000 UTCalso my parents got that hospice bed
King Pinto
2025-03-14 02:42:42 +0000 UTCWhen someone applies to Target, they apply for a department like cashier, clothes, tech, and starbucks is another. Anyone can get trained be trained in multiple depts, so essentially yes they're all just target employees, not starbucks employees
King Pinto
2025-03-14 02:31:33 +0000 UTCi have the same new balances as nick and thats pretty cool i think
cackle
2025-03-14 02:29:56 +0000 UTCikr i'm not a game dev I make videos but I want to like fuck up the AI competitively, I wanna like make something better than it can and soak in the glory
Kolby
2025-03-14 02:27:56 +0000 UTCAs an aspiring game dev who hasn't worked on games in awhile, this episode inspired me to make games again
McCMayo
2025-03-14 01:50:03 +0000 UTCA lot of what Nick is talking about has happened in games. People memed about “the Dark Souls of ____” or games having a Breath of the Wild stamina system. So much of video game development is referential. It’s really, really difficult to make something 100% new and creative. I think you can break down most games by systems that have been used previously.
avonx
2025-03-14 01:43:16 +0000 UTCReally fun discussion! Very thought provoking, but it definitely made me want to watch Wall-e again. If we do end up falling into the mindless slop zone, I believe in that little robot saving us!
Taro
2025-03-14 01:35:47 +0000 UTCJust doing my check up, no weirdly specific hate comments, good job yall
McCMayo
2025-03-14 00:41:14 +0000 UTCyellow babber
Lopster
2025-03-14 00:33:43 +0000 UTCwahoo!
Faye852
2025-03-14 00:31:49 +0000 UTCWe gotta fight bruh I was first stg
R
2025-03-14 00:25:50 +0000 UTCFirst haha, I hate my life
Damian Sherman
2025-03-14 00:25:01 +0000 UTCbobr
Chris Lind
2025-03-14 00:24:59 +0000 UTCFirst
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