PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): The rational pig experiment and what it can tell us about women
Added 2024-11-28 07:00:03 +0000 UTC
Comments
Polygamy is unsustainable in a society with guns. There is only so long that young men will tolerate sexless bachelorhood before they revolt. Men can tolerate poverty, but they cannot tolerate lack of sex and relationships.
voskresenie
2025-01-03 20:04:36 +0000 UTCNope. I meant what I said and I appreciate this version because I believe it also happens.
Mark Bryski
2024-12-05 01:12:27 +0000 UTCNone of this makes sense to me. Unfortunately humans behavior is often not rational. People will cut off their own nose to spite their face. Reciprocity and fairness is actually huge primate and monkey motivator. In social settings we are keenly aware of unfair treatment and will cause harm to ourselves before we allow the other one to get away with unfairness. This has been tested They asked if 3 ppl inherited millions but only one can decide the split and all have to agree in order to get money. And if one dissagrees none get anything So the one deciding should give the others 1 dollar and keep the rest of the millions for himself and the others should agree. Because rationally 1 dollar is better than none. But when they did surveys they found people would forgo 1000s of dollars just to ensure the unfair guy doesn’t get anything. Gpt says The scenario described is a variation of the Ultimatum Game, a well-known psychological and economic experiment. Here’s how it works: • Ultimatum Game Setup: • There are two players: a proposer and a responder. • The proposer is given a sum of money (or other resources) and must propose a way to split it between themselves and the responder. • The responder then chooses to either accept or reject the offer. • If the responder accepts, the money is split as proposed. • If the responder rejects, neither player gets anything. Connection to the Scenario The “three kids” example extends the Ultimatum Game by introducing a group decision-making dynamic: • The “one who decides” is analogous to the proposer. • The “others” who must agree or disagree represent the responders. • The twist here is that the split must satisfy all responders for the money to be distributed, adding a layer of strategic complexity. Observations from Studies • Rationality vs. Fairness: Economic theory predicts that responders should accept even a minimal amount (e.g., $1) because it’s better than nothing. However, studies show that people often reject offers perceived as unfair, even at a personal cost. • Fairness Norms: People value fairness and may punish those who propose unfair splits, even if it means sacrificing their own share. • Social and Emotional Factors: Emotions like anger or a desire for justice can override purely rational decision-making. This behavior demonstrates that humans are not strictly rational agents; social norms and emotional factors significantly influence decision-making.
Peter
2024-12-01 16:37:45 +0000 UTCSlightly off topic, but take a look at the telling comments attached to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szSjIjXqpzc In Software Development we call this a "work-around". Well, as a species, we DID have a good run while we lasted ... 💁♂️
Joseph Omega
2024-12-01 08:14:55 +0000 UTC@@Robert Lindhé - True, but by the same token, the universe is very VERY old, so that signals have had a long LONG time to cross the vast oceans of space -- granted that our assumptions of the type and degree of EM communications are purely anthropomorphic. Still, who knows, maybe there are now civilizations where the THIRD gender "little pigs" refused to pull their weight, and condemned their species to oblivion.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-30 17:13:02 +0000 UTCWell This big pig has passed on his genes and feels sorry for his boys and the amount they have to put up with in dealing with the modern women. I am now 59 and no longer the raging 'T' monster I was in my 20's, so dont feel the need to chase women anymore. Instead I concentrate on my friends and my hobbies. Lets face it guys, if it wasnt for the 'occasional' recreational use of the female reproductive system, you would be throwing rocks at them. I have been married and divorced 3 times and it has cost me three houses and so much money it makes me sick even thinking about it..... So as far as I am concerned Women can go screw themselves. I'm OUT!
John McGuinness
2024-11-30 13:14:07 +0000 UTCI am in public school and lived with my mom. We pick science/social science track in high school. They did select STEM talents starting elementary school, so the caliber of my classmates has always been high and I probably learned work ethic from them.
Anonymous Person
2024-11-30 12:46:37 +0000 UTCFermi paradox is quite intriguing as a thesis. However, the universe is really big too, so. We might missed other civilisations because we are one of the first or are less advanced than others. Remember that the faint first radio transmissions just have travelled less than 200 light years… … and at that distance they may be very hard to detect, if one isn’t looking - and not doing it in our very small direction.
Robert Lindhé
2024-11-30 06:55:04 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Being born male with an innate propensity and attraction to "things over people" is as much a "privilege" as being born female with an innate propensity and attraction to "people over things". Not a "shame", just genetics.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-30 06:05:54 +0000 UTC@Anonymous Person - Well, even classically "unambitious" males often choose STEM -- the "hunger and thirst" that comes from the technical obsession and desire for knowledge and control is a powerful motivator. In my experience, neither classically "ambitious" NOR "unambitious" females tend to possess this specific "motivational gene". This, more than ANYTHING ELSE seems to influence the gender compostion in STEM fields. Also, as STEM fields TEND to, on average, command higher wages, this, in turn, may account for the persistent so-called "gender pay gap".
Joseph Omega
2024-11-30 05:54:51 +0000 UTC@Robert Lindhé - I sincerely hope you're right, and that we have not gravely misjudged our "Great Filter": https://chatgpt.com/share/674a9623-86d4-800a-9ccb-6bbb8422f5fc
Joseph Omega
2024-11-30 04:34:38 +0000 UTC@Anonymous Person - Did you have school uniforms? Was it a boarding school? Did the school have you pick a specialty in the last few years of high school?
Eric Linden
2024-11-30 03:56:46 +0000 UTCI rarely see my dad, he was gone not for work but to avoid my mom. They then got divorced when I was in collage. I would say my “father figure” was the school system which was quite meritocratic.
Anonymous Person
2024-11-30 03:42:59 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Ah, but alas.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-30 03:42:49 +0000 UTCNot necessarily desire for knowledge, but more like not being productive makes me so anxious.
Anonymous Person
2024-11-30 03:34:41 +0000 UTC@Anonymous Person & @Joseph Omega - That hunger and thirst didn't only come from poverty; it also came from a good father figure. AP was not raised by two lesbians or a single mother. I've seen extreme poverty in Asian countries like the Philippines where, like in Western countries, the number of children raised with no father figure is increasing every year. Both male and female children raised without a strong father figure have little chance of being raised in the 997 and winning the rat race. It certainly is not ONLY a male privilege to work in STEM. It's a shame more women don't go in that direction.
Eric Linden
2024-11-30 02:58:40 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Well, until artificial wombs are developed, I think women have a VERY credible argument for considering men more expendable. Still, here is a long conversation I had with ChatGPT that explored a series of interesting related topics including the counter-intuitive practices of "female infanticide" and "bride price": https://chatgpt.com/share/67453707-6884-800a-8a54-29f797967a7c
Joseph Omega
2024-11-30 02:31:44 +0000 UTC@Joseph Omega - True. Men need women and women need men. The strong need the weak and the weak need the strong. However, if sequential hermaphroditism existed in humans, women would still need men, but men would not need women.
Eric Linden
2024-11-30 02:12:10 +0000 UTC@Joseph Omega - Although modern women see men as expendable, the opposite is actually true. Except for being able to carry a child for the required 12 months, men can do everything just as well or better. We even raise children better, as has been discussed in previous videos.
Eric Linden
2024-11-30 01:53:48 +0000 UTCThe human race of course always face the risk of extinction. However, with that said, I hardly believe that a cultural shift in one specific variable is an ELE, not even the western women behaviour. And even if we culturally diminish our population radically, there will be a point where the survival instincts and Maslow will take over at some point. So, as long that we don’t mutually extinct each other with a nuclear war or something similar, women behaviour is not near enough to threaten the human race. It’s like saying that fossil fuel will make our planet uninhabitable. It may change the climate, but equilibrium will be restored. We should be more careful about solar flares, nearby gamma ray bursts or rocks size of Texas falling down. ”The system” is not a thing to worry about in long term perspective, more than a couple of generations may be f*cked up. 🙂
Robert Lindhé
2024-11-29 23:43:01 +0000 UTC@Mark Bryski - I suspect you mean "a wolf (or big pig) in LITTLE pig's clothes"? 🤔
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 22:17:16 +0000 UTC@Anthony White - This is true. 👍
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 22:08:25 +0000 UTC@Anonymous Person - I am ALSO in that profession (though not in MANGA -- for Microsoft or Meta, Apple, Netflix, Google, Amazon). I understand the "hunger and thirst comes from poverty" very well. Still as a female in "STEM" (as opposed to "STEAM" 😁), would you say that you ALSO possess the "hunger and thirst" that comes from the technical obsession and desire for knowledge and control that usually accompanies such professions in males (a.k.a. "nerds" and "geeks")? Most women generally tend to have "a life".
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 22:06:56 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - True, but "greed" often destabilizes the status quo.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 21:58:39 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - With caveats -- see my response to @Hyperion on the "Pareto Principle". Often the REVERSE is true.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 21:56:48 +0000 UTC@Hyperion - This IS true, but with certain caveats: The "rational pig experiment" strictly applies where there are only TWO individuals, and may not be as scalable to GROUPS of individuals -- I can EASILY see a case of 5 big pigs and 5 little pigs, where all the big pigs take turns pulling the lever for the OTHER big pigs, leaving the little pigs to starve unless they too pull their weight. Granted in our case, women may have evolved to be irreplaceable as breeders and nourishers of the young, but it has also evolved them to be dependent on (AND influential with) men for provision and protection. Until the machinery of culture becomes FULLY AUTOMATED and SELF-SUSTAINING (we're still FAR from this), the old rules are still in effect (even if unrecognized by clueless Feminist "SPIES" -- Self-absorbed, Petulant, Impulsive, Entitled and Self-indulgent). All this said, the "Pareto Principle" applied to ownership does NOT address the fact that the top 20% of owners UTTERLY depend on the comsumption (not to mention compliance) of the lower 80%. The French and Soviet (and maybe even American) Revolutions classically illustrate the dangers in such assumptions by the "big pigs" -- they should never underestimate (nor ignore) the "cries of injustice and demand for fairness" in the long term. I posit that SOME aspect of this phenomenon accounts for the "unexpected" outcome of the last US election. It seemed only "unexpected" by the "big pigs". FYI, "The Pareto Principle": https://chatgpt.com/share/674a378f-e17c-800a-ae42-14efad927fb8
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 21:32:15 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Actually, I think evolutionary psychology points to the female need for a man WELL after pregnancy -- human offspring take an AWFULLY long time to mature to the extent they can take care of themselves. Also, men are the evolutionary first line of defence for the group -- women (and their offspring) do not suddenly become "men" in the absence of ACTUAL men. A species capable of this feat are said to exhibit "sequential hermaphroditism", and we are unfortunately NOT one of those: https://chatgpt.com/share/674a2eb4-b78c-800a-b2ff-3de2e0551b40
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 21:12:53 +0000 UTC@Robert Lindhé - Pendulums swing only when they're not broken -- is our system broken? I'm sure the dinosaurs thought (even in their pea-sized brain) that they would be here forever. Just because mankind has never gone extinct before, does not mean that it CAN'T (or WON'T). As a species, we are facing existential challenges for which we were not evolved. I would caution against complacency and expecting someone to come to our rescue -- I fear it is PRECISELY this irresponsible FEMALE attitude of "spontaneous and careless impulsiveness" that got us into this mess in the first place.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 21:05:44 +0000 UTCMore tales from my favorite ditzy YouTuber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fupgnLeUDPU This is, by far, the LONGEST video she's made. The title is: "How to find the Ideal Woman".
Joseph Omega
2024-11-29 20:48:16 +0000 UTCI think the pendulum will swing. It’s a matter of when. Japan and South Korea is the best example of this. The reproduction rate will be so low, that the little pig have to adapt, or the species will ultimately die out. The dark tetrad men will at first take opportunity to reproduce, but when the ungrateful women suddenly lose the protection due to lack of men in numbers, they have to correct themselves to get the protection. This is another variable that probably will limit the risk of overpopulation. Remember, extreme situations won’t hold up in the long run, equilibrium will find its way in the end. And for those who say that Mr. Grace uses young women in his example - women tend to mature earlier than men. If this is the attitude young women have at the core, what will they become later on? A bunch of Karens, is my pov as an answer to that question. The dark tetrad people has always been limited by the mass of other people, according to Dr. Peterson. This is why I don’t think the shared man thesis will hold up in the end. He will be challenged by many other cooperating men in the tribe. Conclusion: It’s a complex situation with many variables. Therefore it will swing in the opposite direction in time.
Robert Lindhé
2024-11-29 01:03:25 +0000 UTCEvolutionary psychology dictates that women need men, but only up to a certain point. Once the woman gets pregnant, the woman sees the man as expendable. However, we now live much longer. When the woman can no longer get pregnant, who becomes more expendable?
Eric Linden
2024-11-28 19:43:58 +0000 UTCPareto principle is prevalent in nature. A few apex males get all the females. A few high-functioning individuals create all the wealth. I've seen this repeatedly in corporate environments; it's the top 10~20% of the corporate population that contributes to 80~90% of the output. On the flip side, it's the latter that constantly cries injustice and demand fairness, all the while being the beneficiaries of those who created vast majority of the output or value. In some ways, this tendency is not exclusive to only females, but to society at large.
Hyperion
2024-11-28 18:54:20 +0000 UTCEric, wasn't attacking Alex, just pointing out that using really young women almost undermines the message. IMHO
Anthony White
2024-11-28 13:58:43 +0000 UTCSo...we have this large cluster of "little pigs" exploiting "big pigs" while they wait with excited anticipation for the big bad wolf to approach them with "little pig...little pig let me in". It looks like the choices are either don't participate in "pig games" or be a "big pig" dressed in wolf's clothes
Mark Bryski
2024-11-28 13:37:30 +0000 UTC@AW - The point of the clip is valid. Men will never see women as replaceable; but women will see men as expendable.
Eric Linden
2024-11-28 12:13:59 +0000 UTCThe weak always end up seeing the strong as expendable. They eventually succumb to the delusion.
Eric Linden
2024-11-28 11:55:39 +0000 UTCEverybody uses everybody. No matter how unfair things seem; no matter how unfair things actually are, we are always getting something out of the situation. One piece of food out of every six is still something.
Eric Linden
2024-11-28 11:52:22 +0000 UTCBrought up in a non western county, I was never told “follow your heart” or “your feelings are valid”. Instead I was told “we are poor so you gotta buy us big house one day”. I studied in a 997 (9AM to 9PM, 7 days a week) since elementary school since I knew I needed to win the rat race to survive.
Anonymous Person
2024-11-28 11:08:29 +0000 UTCI am a female FANG (Google to be specific) software engineer. Most people in similar positions are from less well off background. Then I hear women from more well off backgrounds talking about how it is male privilege to work in STEM. Then how come I am doing it? Because I have that hungry and thirst that came from poverty.
Anonymous Person
2024-11-28 10:51:23 +0000 UTCmate - those people at the end of this video are teenagers - yes they're obnoxious but so are teenage boys - feels like you are reaching by using them as examples. P.S. meant in a constructive manner as I 95% of the time love your vids. Peace
Anthony White
2024-11-28 09:36:51 +0000 UTCGreat analogy! Really helpful to have something like this to be able to explain a dynamic.
Olivier
2024-11-28 08:59:55 +0000 UTC
