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PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): I've changed my mind. Women should not give men 'sh1t tests'

PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): I've changed my mind. Women should not give men 'sh1t tests'

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jackson

I think it's good for you to acknowledge this, but I think in most ways it's good for you to focus on solutions, whether that's to pass the shittests or to find women who don't shittest. There are a lot of men and women who have decided relationships aren't worth it, and they might be right in the current environment, but most of them will come to regret it if they remain single into middle and old age. I've thought about giving up many times, but I don't think that's an option for me. Family has always been the most important thing for me, and it's been tolerable as of right now just having a relationship with my parents and brothers, but eventually my parents will die, and my brothers are already busy with their own families and I see and hear from them less and less. Even if I could maintain that family relationship into old age, I want a family of my own -- a wife and children. Dating sucks, and marriage is risky. I've got a lot of money for my age, and it would suck to lose half of that in a divorce. It would suck losing access to my kids. But what would suck even more is never even trying.

voskresenie

You can brag about your life and how great you are all you want, but you're 51 and not married or in a lifelong committed relationship, presumably no kids. You've missed the two actually important things in life, and I don't think you're in a position to give advice. There is no amount of money, status, prestige that someone could offer me that would make me choose to be a 51 year old bachelor over married with kids -- even an unhappy marriage. I get it that sometimes it's not the person's choice, and I feel bad for those people, but they're not bragging about how good they've got it. You claim you've got options, but exactly 0 of those options are a healthy marriage and family. It sounds like you prioritized superficial relationships over commitment, and that's pitiful. Oh, and no, dude, you're not in better shape at 51 than even the average 25 year old dude at the gym. This has the same energy as a 39 year old woman who's convinced she's still 'got it'.

voskresenie

@Ashwin Srinivas - Ah, the irony of a female "shit test" of a man itself becoming a male "shit test" of the woman. Kismet.

Joseph Omega

@Ashwin Srinivas - Perhaps the confusion comes from the interpretation (or grammatical stress) on the expression "shit test": Either the test is to DETECT shit OR it uses shit TO test OR that it is kinda SHITTY to test -- any of which can be situationally true or false. From what I understand, Alexander seems to be admitting that, although the first is reasonable and third unfortunate, the second is too often unacceptable.

Joseph Omega

"About 59.9% of the global population, or 4.8 billion people, use social media. This number also represents 92.7% of all internet users." My point is that while the information gained through the internet is indeed useful, it has created a "reality", (and that includes the red pill, which I think is actually important) that is actually a small part of what goes on in life. In the end, Alexander's admonition at the end of the video is the most useful part....go out and engage. "According to the widely cited "7-38-55 rule" by Albert Mehrabian, approximately 93% of communication is considered nonverbal; with 55% conveyed through body language and 38% through tone of voice, leaving only 7% for the spoken words themselves. " I don't believe that facetime and zoom calls allows for this to occur much less texting and dating apps. Let me be frank (and this includes myself), men are cowards. In this day and age we would rather get all our ducks in a row and arm ourselves with all this red pill knowledge to minimize the hurt that comes from rejection and these so called "shit tests" which I have to agree with Alexander is just bad behavior. I do appreciate the comments made that this behavior of testing for competency is something hardwired by evolution but cannot allow this as an excuse for rudeness. This reality of women wanting only the top 5% exists in social media and dating apps and therefore has an existence....but the majority of just people interact in person...and that is where the real stage of competency testing takes place. If you are willing to put up with rudeness just to be "nice"....well, no wonder nice guys finish last. That might be the first test for being a "simp", a term that did not exist before feminism and the red pill. It's really not as complicated as we have made it out to be just for the sake making the game "easier". Don't get me wrong, rejection hurts....but so does working out....but the rewards far exceeds the risks. Actually, the perfect analogy because only 10% of the population works out....what percentage of the population of men can actually start a conversation? And if it becomes a shit test....that is your own answer to your own competency measure....she's not the one. Go off, feel hurt and rejected, learn game (which nothing more than social skill....might I suggest Dale Carnegie?) and try again....or remain a coward.

Daniel L Chin

@Hyperion - Alas. 😢

Joseph Omega

The only flaw in this is that you presume they operate on logic rather than emotion.

Hyperion

@Ashwin Srinivas - But natural selection is more about thriving than mere pruning. If a civilization falls below 2.1 replacement rate, the math says it has failed to adapt, and WILL die out eventually: https://chatgpt.com/share/6748361c-ad34-800a-8ab0-47f9d155244b Sources for the data is available via the embedded link.

Joseph Omega

@RhodiumMaiden - How comfortable are you with this realization?

Joseph Omega

@Hyperion - Logically, they should pump the tire up FIRST to test if it will hold pressure BEFORE kick testing it. But alas.

Joseph Omega

LOL @JO Not to belabor the metaphor, but not only do women kick the tire when it's flat, they hawk-tuah on it, mock it, humiliate the tire, and demand to know why there aren't any well-made, tall, beefy tires with pimped out rims around that rides roughshod over them.

Hyperion

@Hyperion - To "test" the metaphor, should one kick a tire when it's down (flat)?

Joseph Omega

Quite right, that usually manifest in the form of social proof and status. I should think this is why women respond so readily to them. I do not condemn women for testing men, why wouldn't one kick the tires of a car before committing to its purchase, in a manner of speaking? What men condemn in contrast however, are entitlement and rudeness.

Hyperion

Is iii) a joke?

RhodiumMaiden

@Ashwin I agree - it’s almost like he might have an attitude problem… but maybe we are misinterpreting the situation. Some people are very different online versus IRL.

RhodiumMaiden

No marriage would truly stand the roles being reversed. A permanently weak/incapacitated man is too fundamentally lacking in masculinity. Only exception I can imagine would be in a very long-term marriage after years if not decades of obvious competence on the man’s part.

RhodiumMaiden

But it is possible to test someone in a respectful manner. And ideally a man does so well that he displays his competence clearly and thus requires little testing.

RhodiumMaiden

@Hyperion - This may be equivalent to the evolutionary explanation for men's innate agression and stoicism compared to women, as it has also to do with survival -- a man has to be constantly assessing the safety and utility of himself, his family and his tribe, which depends largely upon his sketicism of the benevolence of his environment. Being wantonly violent and dishonorable however, reflects poor nature. šŸ‘

Joseph Omega

@Hyperion - Exhibit A, submitted again for your approval: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMHX1eBmAg&t=179s

Joseph Omega

A woman will always shit test a man, subconsciously and incessantly. The evolutionary reason why women are more prone to neuroticism compared to men has to do with survival; a woman has to constantly assess the dependability of her man as her and her offspring's survival depend largely on it. It is an integral part of female nature I should think. Being rude and disrespectful however, reflects poor nurture, and should never be tolerated.

Hyperion

A ride or die woman is as rare of an occurrence as syzygy across all planets in our solar system. I suspect most women will fail our "test" if administered, this is why most men don't do it instinctively. I've come to accept that a woman will never love a man the way he wish to be loved by a woman. Man loves woman. Woman loves children. Such is the bitter reality of the male experience.

Hyperion

@Joseph Omega On your question of whether this is an existential threat to our civilization: I think not. It will definitely play its part in reducing our population and being an individual incompatible for a long-term relationship and/or marriage is just another way natural selection manifests.

Ashwin Srinivas

You sound vain and bitter.

Ashwin Srinivas

Catering to the evolutionary reasons behind shit testing in that a woman must be cautious about who she chooses and must test for strength of her potential mate is all fine. Teal Swan said, ā€œFear, is a woman’s baselineā€ and that we need to appreciate how unsafe it is to be a woman in this world. So, although shit tests and caution may not be too necessary, it is fine to an extent in the initial period. But women really need to become more self-aware of this and not be surprised if a guy isn’t interested in pursuing her much further after a series of shit tests. She must be accountable for this initial bad behaviour and actively make up for it. This might look like her making a more direct gesture like asking the guy out, or going out of her way to go start a conversation with the guy. And if anyone thinks this is a bit too ā€œmasculineā€ for a woman to do, than I would say, maybe it is but it’s only a one time thing just to own up for that bad behaviour. From a man’s perspective, it is fine to expect and receive these tests form women to a small extent, if at all. But of course you must have clear boundaries and not let her violate those. You might find that it was only an initial phase. And once you have proven yourself to her and start dating, it should go away. Not brining your ego into the equation helps.

Ashwin Srinivas

AG, you didn’t have to do a complete 180, going back on your previous statements and changing your mind was fine but if it makes you feel any better, I don’t think you had it as wrong as you make it out to be in the video. But that idealized dating scenario you detailed where dating was about assessing compatibility with the intention of partnering up and not for an ego boost and other materialistic reasons is spot on. A realistic goal in actually bringing this about is in teaching and raising the the next generation with these values. In our generation, this is actually a self-correcting problem in that if men just stopped simping and stopped tolerating this behaviour, it would get fixed. But we don’t see that happen. Especially with all these white knights spawning every hour.

Ashwin Srinivas

I couldn't agree more. As someone who has learned to see shit tests as an opportunity to create attraction I can say the bar for passing them is pretty low and the reward for passing them is really high. I also really like the nuanced difference you bring up between good shit tests and just being rude. I don't think any of Alex's previous advice on passing shit tests is bad and should be ignored. This video could just try and help us understand the difference between a shit test and just plain being rude which can guide us in what behavior we should and shouldn't tolerate in the women around us.

Tomer Shamay

I would argue that it's difficult because women can be angry and mean because that's what certain feminist philosophies teach. Also countless women are willing to get married and then suddenly forget sex is a thing. I mean why are they hanging around again??

metatech

I disagree. I do think that it's possible that women will change, given the right circumstance.

metatech

Acknowledging the emotions and frustrations is fair, I was glad for the clarification at the end. I personally think that you are missing the issue though- The kind of shit test you were talking about throughout is just an insult or being rude unprovoked. A GOOD shit test is almost easy to miss and comes across as playful banter. I don't see an issue with shit tests inherently when they are done like this, since these are still respectful and are in essence what men do as a technique to create atteaction (similarly to push-pull in a conversation), only for a woman that kind of banter serves a purpose of screening for lack of emotional fragility. No one should date somwone being plain rude to them, but correctly executed shit tests from women are playful, almost unconcious and relatively easy to clear. From experiences I've heard the moment you clear one shit test you are in, since the bar for confidence is low at the moment.. it should almost be viewed as indication that a woman finds you interesting but feels the need to make sure your self esteem is healthy before proceeding. Calling insults and rude behavior shit tests is a disservice to good shit tests, women should probabaly be better at those so they don't resort to annoying insults.

Eshkar freedman

@Eric Linden - This last may all be true, but it is not The Design.

Joseph Omega

Women shit test men constantly; but men need to do a major shit test on women before entering into something permanent. Men need to lose their job, spend two weeks in the hospital, or go through a major surgery to see if their woman can handle going into the masculine role on a temporary basis. That is the point where the marriage goes bad, the dead bedroom goes completely dead, or the marriage simply ends. Men need to be masculine and women feminine in normal circumstances, but they need to be able to switch roles on a temporary basis when the ā€œfor better for worse, richer or poorerā€ happens. I’ve seen many men completely take over cooking, cleaning, and taking care of the kids when things go bad for the woman, and it never threatens the marriage. It might actually improve the relationship. The same can’t be said when the roles are reversed.

Eric Linden

Yes, if she is disrespecting then get up walk away no need to play her game

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So I can pass a shit test, I can’t find talk my way into just about anything because people don’t pay enough attention to what I’m doing. My problem is as I always get told I talk to much. I get to the right spot to stop but then I’m like this is to easy let’s see what else I can get. Which leads to me talking my way out of what I just got.

J

Have the best life possible and invite the girl to join and participate in your adventures, no matter how old/experienced you are. If she fails to see the value you can bring, move on. Her loss.

Christophe Ruef

Everyone has a dark side. What it comes down to is how they share it and who gets to see it. I believe that is how we get to gauge the quality of a person and who is right for us.

Mark Bryski

@Starship - šŸ‘

Joseph Omega

Thanks Joseph - good Chat GPT advice - The no asshole rule it suggests is a good book

Starship

@Starship - I have no personal experience with this behavior, but here was ChatGPT's response, which includes useful resources: https://chatgpt.com/share/6743e1ee-b7ac-800a-96e2-84a63cccf25d

Joseph Omega

@Lioninwinter - That happens to MANY men. My take: If she is polite and respectful, I see no particular problem with such behavior -- indeed, I often consider it somewhat FLATTERING, especially if courtship was the furthest thing from my mind: If she was TRULY sexually disinterested when you also were not, there would usually be NO need for it to even OCCUR to her to "reject" you. There is the well-known Shakespearian aphorism: "Methinks the lady doth protest too much".

Joseph Omega

@Peter - "Mutual respect" IS key. šŸ‘

Joseph Omega

@Christophe Ruef - I agree. However, much depends on the definition of the much overused term "toxic", so that "filtering" on BOTH sides IS rational and SHOULD be expected. Personally, I don't subscribe to the viability of the expressions "toxic masculinity" OR "toxic femininity", but there ARE certain characterstic male AND female behaviors that ARE problematic -- it is just that such behaviors (such as being "arrogantly dishonorable" for males or being "selfishly ungraceous" for females) as being ANTITHETICAL to classic masculinity and femininity.

Joseph Omega

@Eric Linden - I see this video as more about "balance", accountability and a return to REALITY, than it is about "fairness". As you say "Life is not fair". But it IS real, and consequences DO exist. If one approaches a relationship with the knowledge in mind accepting that women are NOT "supposed" to be inherently irresponsible juveniles, then your choice of long-term mate can be pre-screened on the basis of POTENTIAL for change.

Joseph Omega

@Bill Washinski - "Useless video. Nobody cares." The responses here seem to suggest otherwise though. But I'm curious: "The best woman you’ve met in 20 years" is STILL unacceptable? šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø I get the impression that you have no kids of your own -- if so, do you see this whole developing situation as an EXISTENTIAL THREAT to our species (or at least our civilization)?

Joseph Omega

I'm 45 and I've dated and have been rejected by plenty of women who engaged in this behavior. Before I had any sort of name for it, I sensed that it was a function of 1) immaturity and 2) low self esteem or insecurity. If you truly believed you were attractive, lovable, and worth someones time - you would never do this. Conversely, If you were insecure or immature, you would probably do it just to avoid any accountability for the relationship OR because you didn't think you deserved or could maintain a healthy relationship - or both. None of this is your problem, men - and when women tell you who they are, believe them. I've been married for 22 years and my wife has never once given me a "test" like this. She has a healthy self image and she is secure in herself, so behaving like this would seem beneath her, counter productive and silly. When we met, she took me at face value, she judged me based on how I treated her and her family, and she has high expectations for me and for herself in our relationship. Imagine that! Now - do we flirt? Do we tease? Do we try to create sexual tension? YES - but there is a big difference between that behavior and what Alexander is describing. I want to encourage you guys. I don't want to sound completely naive, but I believe there are women who don't act like this. Alexander touched on this - but I firmly believe that not holding women accountable for incentivizing and encouraging disrespectful, even abusive behavior - is essentially calling them victims with zero agency. I'm done buying into that terrible narrative. We should all reject it.

John

I’m more sympathetic to Alexander’s original take on this. We have got to live according to how the world is now rather than how it could be or how it was. Understanding why behaviours exist can help with that. Women’s desire to screen men for confidence is presumably innate. However I think some men have trouble distinguishing between reasonable tests in the current zeitgeist vs unacceptable toxic or abusive tests. A follow up video might help here. Presumably Alexander thinks it is reasonable for women to screen men for confidence in some way.

Andy

Useless video. Nobody cares. Nobody is going to care & it’s 100% up to each of us to either succeed or fail. The ā€œgameā€ is rigged two ways; I’m now a 51-year old man; and I’m going to tell you all, I never expected to have the options available that I do. Gentlemen, I’ve done the work & I’ve delayed gratification. Now, I have secured a strong nest egg that I just need to maintain it so I will retire comfortably. I’m in far better shape than 90% of all men out there; including myself from 15 years ago—and I looked like a pro athlete then. Better, cleaner diet & maintained physical fitness, I have no difficulty attracting women. From 22 to 45, I’ve been out with women desiring more from me than I ever have. However, I’m still going to say most women are low quality. I have no problem moving on. I met the best woman I’ve met in 20 years and it’s probably too late for her, she’s still not ā€œgetting itā€; she’s the only one I’ve given any latitude with, but she’s also determined to be difficult about it; as if to self sabotage. I don’t know how it’s going to play out, but I’d advise every man to level up their money, social network, enhance appearance & then when you have the leverage & options: only then play the game. It’s a waste of your time otherwise.

Bill Washinski

@Peter - Yes, I agree completely. šŸ‘

Joseph Omega

I'm glad you have finally figured this out. I also don't know anyone else who has come to this realization, on YouTube anyway. I have always felt in the back of my mind like I was somehow wrong for not wanting to go through all these shit tests.. I just put up with them, even in the marriage, which ultimately did not end well. Part of me always knew better. But those blinders can have disastrous consequences, because you're excusing the toxicity of another person.

warren beane

Alex, you're a good guy. The dating market will not change so I think you and your videos should remain. Guys should choose to either: i) play along , ii) step out of the market iii) only approach school teachers and nurses between a 5/10 and a 7/10 aged 25 to 30, iv) risk getting fired and ask out a woman at a work social event. Each man has to choose based on skills, desire, and their need for a relationship. I can tell you this - I chose iv) and it worked for 16 years. But I put up with far more than I should have to in a relationship because good looking women in this country are VERY entitled. I divorced when my kids could handle the issues and now I'm in bucket ii) for the rest of my life. And I'm very happy, sitting on tons of money, doing my own thing.

John Moose

It“s not just about dignity. It“s about effort and reward. I am one of those men who are doing fairly well on their own. I am very introverted, and engaging with other people is just kind of strenous. I learned to do it on a professional level and genuienly enjoy my time with some selected people. But to let someone into my life is a big deal for me. I would love to have a relationship, but not one where I need to perform constantly. And I understand that this dynamic can change once I passed her shit test. But it is still a bad start, a bad indicator to her quality as a partner and way too much effort for a that kind of partner. If I need to play games to get her, I am just not interested.

Hermann

In my opinion, there are various degrees of shit tests with different motivations. Some are mild and playful which can create sexual tension. I enjoy it when it comes from a woman I find attractive. Then there are shit tests that are done strictly to show contempt. In my opinion, these women rely on men sharing collective guilt over "women's issues". I view these women as low quality with potential trauma debt and follow the advice of "ruthlessly cut the chord". Alexander, I do appreciate you now wanting to reign in the rhetoric around the machismo of meeting the shit test challenge.

Mark Bryski

This video is about fairness. Life is not fair. Most of us realize this and deal with it. Tips, tricks, and strategies are how we overcome it.

Eric Linden

That said, my pain likely shows through at times. I know I was never good at handling these ā€œtestsā€ā€”I came across as an uptight minefield. I probably wasn’t much relaxed fun to be be around

Peter

Filtering based on naturally occurring situation , or honest interaction is one thing. Placing yourself in a position where you feel it is ok to artificially test someone… its i a way patronising. And I totally agree about emotional relevance. Butterflies in a way. But its sight of maturity to be able to be.. without a dopamine addiction instant reaction and satisfaction response. But i mean its how its done what the intentions were and if you can non defensively engage the others experience of being tested I don’t want to demonise this or anything. But mutual respect and testing someone, thry going mix. For me anyway

Peter

Gpt said - I see it the same way. By conducting a ā€œshit testā€ on others, you’re essentially exposing yourself as someone who is willing to play manipulative games to judge them. Instead of observing natural situations and behaviors, you’re creating artificial scenarios to test their character. It’s comparable to hiring someone to tempt your partner just to see if they’re loyal, or slashing your own tires to test if they can fix them. Even if the other person ā€œpassesā€ the test, the act of testing reflects poorly on the one conducting it. It’s not necessarily a deal-breaking red flag on its own, but it leaves a negative impression.

Peter

It has taken me over 50 years but it is simple.... Any disrespect, I walk away... I am fed up with it..

Philip Henderson

9:11 toxic or boring? Women don't want toxic men. They want emotionally relevant men. Remember you can be fun and not toxic. Just like girls can 'shittest' (I prefer to say 'filter') without being disrespectful. Respect is key on both sides. What do you think about that? Have a great day.

Christophe Ruef

I'm married over 20 yrs and am thankful to be out of the dating market. A few years ago I was in line at a sandwich shop and happened to be next to a woman coworker. I made some pleasant remarks about the sandwiches, or the day or something. She mentioned she had a boyfriend (indiectly) within the first sentence of her response. I thought to myself "I guess I must be creepy, because that was ridiculous". Have these women not learned any manners?

Lioninwinter

@Alexander Grace - Perfectly correct. I would just add that EVERYONE starts their life as "low quality", with the potential to GROW into "high quality" adults -- they just need to be given the tools to have a chance to. Too many women have been kept infantilized by petulant Feminist Ideology operating unchecked under the protection of a Fawning Patriarchy. Males now deciding to blindly "swipe left" too quickly on any given woman who doesn't IMMEDIATELY match up to a BEHAVIORAL ideal would be equivalent to females doing so solely on the basis of an INITIAL failed PHYSICAL or SOCIAL ideal.

Joseph Omega

15:00 I totally understand and respect how Alex admits he didn’t approach the previous videos with empathy and connection first. Solution second mind set. I know he knew this but he didnt know this here. Sometimes we have blind spots. And the best way to reach people, which allws them to let you in and you to give them help, is in so many of my experiences… Connection though acknowledgment and empathy. Then the work can ACTUALLY begin. Rage gets clicks. Empathy and solutions offer long term value. Onwards good sir

Peter

I Think about this the same way. by doing a shit test on other people you are outing yourself a someone that is Willing to shit Test Other people… a Person that is Willing to play Games to judge, other people. Through some artificial situation Rather than observing natural situations. It’s like Paying Someone Totemp need your boyfriend to see if he is loyal. Like slashing tires to see if you can fix them Even if you pass the test, she has ā€œfailedā€ a test. Its a negative mark. Not saying its a singular deal breaking red flag

Peter

Yup. Your conceptual evolution is TRULY inspiring to watch. I am not aware of ANY current influencer with this capacity for intellectual humility. It is a genuinely MASCULINE trait to CONSCIOUSLY and FORCIBLY overcome one's pride in pursuit of truth, and you have done so MAGNIFICENTLY. I got an inkling of this back during your "Women want to be inferior" video, where you ACTUALLY said for the first time: "The whole concept of hypergamy is inherently flawed at its foundation", following up with "women wanting to date men who they consider to be superior to them assumes that men and women exist in the same hierarchy". Questioning the FREE REIGN of Female Hypergamy has been taboo for FAR too long. "Boats" need to again start looking for the POTENTIAL in "islands", just as "islands" have had to look for the POTENTIAL in "boats". Perfection is an illusion, and has been fed from the "love at first sight" and "soul mates" wistful fantasies of largely WOMEN. Great relationships are scarcely ever BORN out of thin air, they are GROWN through careful and committed cultivation from "acorns" of POTENTIAL "oaks" (involving "islands" AND "boats"). Again, adult women may look and often exhibit behaviors that appear childlike, but they are fully grown human beings, evolutionarily bred, like men, to shoulder the responsibilities of their decisions and actions. It was misguided MALE CHIVALRY that fed modern day Feminism into existence. Time to end the charade. At the risk of tedious repetition, here again is my long treatise conversation with ChatGPT on the subject of both female AND male Hypergamy: https://chatgpt.com/share/671ffacc-8aac-800a-9e19-f7894ccb993a

Joseph Omega

I'm interested in men's experiences of dealing with sh!t tests in the workplace. At least in personal relationships, you can try to avoid the women who participate in such activity in the worst way, but I also think women like to use sh!t tests in the professional context, where you do need to engage with such toxic behaviour to keep your job and get on. What are your experiences of this? And have you found any useful videos, books etc that provide advice on this issue?

Starship

That makes sense.

Olivier

I think the behaviour is low quality. I wouldn't judge the woman based off just one thing, I'd want to know her character in all the other ways

Alexander Grace

Hey Alex. I appreciate your video and the acknowledgment. Would you say now that women who engage in that kind of behaviour could be considered low quality women then? I believe you disagreed with that idea in the past, thinking it was a feature, not a bug. What about now? Are shit tests a sign of moral degradation? I just tend to think that if a woman does such things, even if I could overcome it, then it's probably not worth it anyway because it shows she's not the type of person I'd want to be with (being basically rude and entitled).

Olivier


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