PATREON EXCLUSIVE (Full Video): Marriage obligations from women are not enforceable
Added 2024-11-20 01:46:35 +0000 UTC
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And even if the parents did divorce, you can examine their divorce and their relationship since for clues as to how she thinks about such matters and may act in the future.
RhodiumMaiden
2024-11-26 23:23:23 +0000 UTCSome people think that social media is tipping the scales and making more people narcissistic, because it rewards that kind of behavior. Particularly dating apps, which reward the superficial. People also use the term narcissism on social media to describe just about anyone who has rejected them. I really doubt all these people have NPD.
warren beane
2024-11-24 20:54:46 +0000 UTCA lot of experience with this disorder, unfortunately personal experience. I have an LMSW in social work, which I did not have when I got married. I have worked a lot with people with chronic mental illnesses, even before I got my current degree. Psychology has not caught up with this disorder. When I got married 12 years ago, it mainly focused on overt narcissistic personality disorder, and considered it mostly a male diagnosis, Dr. Ramini is a good resource.. now it is realized that there are different kinds of NPD, with most covert NPD being primarily in the female population. covert narcissism is hard to spot, if the person has a good degree of intelligence.. The current consensus is a person with this disorder needs to work very hard for at least 10 years in therapy with a qualified therapist, qualified with this disorder. Very few people with NPD are willing to do that, usually because they don't think that anything is wrong with them. Also, even if they do therapy, they can never learn to develop real empathy, because their brain is affected. They can develop cognitive empathy, which teaches them how to respond to other people. The DSM R5, the system that is used to classify disorders, considers a disorder to be something that significantly interferes with the persons quality of life. This disorder is different because it significantly interferes with the quality of life of everyone around them, and the person themselves frequently does not think that they even have a problem. It is part of cluster B disorders which include histrionic, personality disorder, borderline personality, disorder, antisocial, personality, disorder, as well as narcissistic personality disorder. Jordan Peterson doesn't even think that it should be classified as a disorder, in the traditional sense of the term. People with this disorder, have poor parenting, between the age of three and six it is developed as a coping strategy. It permanently affects the Person's ability to empathize with the pain that they cause others.. This has been shown through brain scans of the area of the brain associated with empathy. Research shows that a fair amount of narcissism can be good for you, and helps you to take care of your own needs. But it is on a spectrum. It does not get better the older you get, but has a tendency to get worse. There is possibly a small amount of psychosis in the disorder . They see the world through their own lens and cannot entertain other points of view.. For example, when my ex split with me, even though I had never been emotionally or physically abusive, she consistently brought up things her first husband had done. People with this disorder, lie so well that some people believe that they believe their own lies. And there are other instances that they don't, and know, they are lying. It's a complicated disorder and not everything is understood about it.
warren beane
2024-11-24 20:39:32 +0000 UTCIn a way this is my point. I want Alexander to re-examine whether narcissistic personality disorder is just on a spectrum, merely a simple extension of other bad female entitled behavior or whether it is a fundamentally different way of being. I want to understand the behaviors that require this enforcement. There is no win in this situation because narcissistic supply is drama and conflict rather than peace.
Andy
2024-11-23 23:26:44 +0000 UTCCome back to me and share that after you have been 100% positive and committed, always worked on your issues to make sure you would be a good partner, and you get dumped. People think it's a 50-50 thing as far as splitting the assets. In the United States that you have been abusive is very easy to allege and will I affect family court, including how much time you get to spend with your child. I'm in the mental health field and do not have an emotionally abusive or physically abusive bone in my body. My ex knew that but knew that the only way for her to get the $150,000 profit from the sale of the house was to tell me that if I did not, she would allege in court that I had either abused my four-year-old girl or her. Just the allegation remove the child from your home for one or two years, while they investigate it, which means by the time I got my daughter back, she would be totally brainwashed. She had already called the police before and lied. So I gave her all the money and in return she gave me 50-50 custody. Now I am continually tied to an ex who lies and alleges false allegations if she does not get her way. Tied to her until my daughter's 18th birthday. I have no extra money to date and I'm too old to start over. Even if you're not married, you have to consider all of that if you are in a relationship. Allegations of abuse hold the same weight whether you're married or not. Also, my spouse showed very little negative before the divorce. She was cheating, but was still being very affectionate to me, and I had no idea she was cheating. I did not cheat. Eight years of marriage, most of which was good, but in the end, she did not want anyone to think that she was at fault, so she had to do what she had to do. Whether the spouse was cheating, or not, will never even come up in court, and should not even be brought up, unless you can prove it. Proving it takes a lot of money, which I did not have.
warren beane
2024-11-23 21:24:20 +0000 UTCI like the suggestion to show her men's rights videos and see how she reacts. I just sent a girl a hoe_math video after she was generalizing about men way too much. She never commented on the video specifically, but she apologized for her behavior. I'm still not interested in dating her anymore, for multiple reasons. Anyone have video recommendations to run by women as a test?
Kevin Martin
2024-11-22 14:09:12 +0000 UTCGuys often look at a woman’s mother to predict whether her beauty will endure as she ages. It is also important to look at her parent’s marriage. If you see a couple who each have parents that are still together, it is a good bet they will last as well.
Eric Linden
2024-11-22 11:48:39 +0000 UTCGreat advice regarding looking for kindness and not necessarily marrying. That depends on individual circumstances. I think pre-nups too likely depend on the situation rather than a blanket recommendation. What could be explored more is whether for some men (and women) multiple long term relationships might be the best option rather than a single one for life. Yes it's not enforceable and the enforcement is biased but ultimately it's not about enforcement: it's about a positive motivation and desire to be a good partner.
Andy
2024-11-21 17:26:02 +0000 UTC@Joseph Omega - I have the free version. It has changed and no longer gives me a link. It now only lets me copy and paste. ChatGPT is confusing on this one. It seems to change each time I ask the question in a slightly different way. It can’t seem to keep its story straight.
Eric Linden
2024-11-21 10:08:56 +0000 UTC@Christophe Ruef - I guess so! 😂 BTW, I'm sorry for the typo: I meant "arrangement" and not "assessment". PS. In another thread under this discussion, I proposed (no pun intended) that MARRIAGE predates and fundamentally exists OUTSIDE of social institutions and structures: https://chatgpt.com/share/673d6806-bec0-800a-a775-872d55ee0f16 Maybe it IS time to return to the basics.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-21 06:08:31 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - Interesting. When I asked my version of ChatGPT (4o), this was the response (includes a table of historical data from 1800 thru today, a bit more in tune with my expectations): https://chatgpt.com/share/673ecbeb-b820-800a-8f35-be73edd85794 Which version are you using? I wonder the extent to which the training data was influenced by contemporary Feminist Ideology and its tendency towards retroactive historical revisionism when listing those factors? Still, the table it produced for me includes the possibly CRUCIAL mitigating data for the proportion of marriages that ended in divorce in the first place.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-21 06:01:59 +0000 UTCThank you. I'm only saying that marriage as it is in our modern western world is flawed. I'm brainstorming a possible solution to it. Technically, 😅, we could say that children are the product of a limited duration assessment, aka sex between man and woman...
Christophe Ruef
2024-11-21 05:47:32 +0000 UTC@Joseph Omega - from ChatGPT - In the 1860s, women initiated more divorces than men, despite the restrictive social and legal environment of the time. This trend may seem surprising given the limited rights women had, but several factors explain it: 1. Legal Grounds Favoring Women • The most commonly accepted grounds for divorce, such as adultery and cruelty, often favored women, as these could be used to address neglect or abuse by husbands. • Desertion was another frequent cause, particularly after the Civil War, when some men abandoned their families. 2. Economic Dependency • Women who pursued divorce often did so out of necessity, such as escaping abuse or securing legal support for themselves and their children. • Divorce offered a potential avenue for financial redress through alimony or property settlements, although these were not guaranteed. 3. Cultural and Social Drivers • While societal stigma around divorce was significant, women had more to gain by escaping harmful marriages, as men generally retained more power and freedom outside marriage. • Women’s advocacy movements, though nascent, encouraged some to challenge traditional marital expectations. 4. Divorce as a Survival Strategy • Many women viewed divorce as a last resort to escape intolerable conditions, such as physical abuse, alcoholism, or neglect. • Men, on the other hand, were less likely to initiate divorce because they faced fewer social and economic constraints within unhappy marriages. Statistics from the Era While precise statistics from the 1860s are limited, later studies of 19th-century divorce records consistently show that two-thirds or more of divorce filings were initiated by women. This trend began in the mid-19th century and continued into the early 20th century. Would you like more detailed insights into divorce case studies or laws from this period?
Eric Linden
2024-11-21 04:35:16 +0000 UTCWow I never thought of that but so true “the law can enforce a man’s role / obligation, in a marriage” While the situation is so individualistic I don’t think that is right. I’ve heard of several women speak “financial” abuse. And I get the concept. But I just find it to hard to believe the sinister nature they portray behind it. In in my experience, the men that are hamfisted with their women are also hand fisted with anyone else regarding the money.. they are I think just irrationally holding on. Out if fear or what ever. But it’s not a conscious “I will abuse you” Like the the intimate partner violence reasoning. I think it’s undeniable that men face the most violence in society at the hand of probably other men in criminal situations and that a sizable percentage of female endured violence is from an intimate partner. And the reasoning is this is explicitly violence and death towards these women because they are women and specifically because they are specifically and consciously, women. When the law is allowed or supposed to intervene is tough, but I do acknowledge there are situations where a guy leaves and leaves everyone high and dry. Specificity after they agreed to her being a “stay at home” partner. I’ll add that to my mental note, something to discuss and take into consideration when and if I marry. I would prefer she stay atleast part time in her field as to facilitate a smoother rejoining the work force after a while
Peter
2024-11-21 04:20:40 +0000 UTC@Christophe Ruef - Fascinating concept. Are you saying that your child is the PRODUCT of a "Limited Duration" assessment of some kind? As I was unfamiliar, I asked ChatGPT for clarification: https://chatgpt.com/share/673ea5db-3898-800a-a582-0f033e801d72
Joseph Omega
2024-11-21 03:16:48 +0000 UTC@Eric Linden - But evolutionary psychology DOES suggest that, given the opportunity and lack of repercussions, women WOULD naturally adhere to "till LOVE do us part". If what you say is true, this just means that such repercussions for them were almost as lax back then (in the "West") as now.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-21 03:03:32 +0000 UTCEstimates from historical records show that women initiated divorce far more than men as far back as the 1860s here in America. Historian Lawrence Stone did a study on early divorce trends in England which aligns well with early trends in the US. This is well before the huge monetary benefits women get from divorce today. There must be more to this that can be explained by evolutionary psychology.
Eric Linden
2024-11-20 09:11:50 +0000 UTCVery good question. By law (in Switzerland), parents have a responsibility towards children, even if not married. I have a 2 year old son, I'm not married, and I love and live with his mother. We make a good team and since both of us can opt out quickly of the relationship without 'many' consequences, the incentive is to make it work also for the benefit of our kid. I feel it's not very different of being married, only without the legal, nor perceived societal drama. I'm 40years old, and I took time to choose my girl carefully, as anyone should. I feel lucky in that sense, since motherhood will change a girl's perspective (and a man as well) on the relationship dynamics and motivations. What do you think?
Christophe Ruef
2024-11-20 07:03:04 +0000 UTC@Christophe Brief - Under "limited duration marriages", what would happen to any kids?
Joseph Omega
2024-11-20 06:38:31 +0000 UTCHere in Switzerland, marriage represents more the means to raise children in a safe place. But it has also its flaws.
Christophe Ruef
2024-11-20 05:51:31 +0000 UTC"limited duration marriages". Let's say it would last ~3 years, and would be automatically canceled if not renewed. It would enforce the couple to define what they want out of marriage, and speak and collaborate during. If one fails to communicate, to sustain the relationship, or should emotions fade, things would end, no questions asked... What do you think?
Christophe Ruef
2024-11-20 05:48:26 +0000 UTCI don't know how things are in Australia, but here in the States prenups are VERY difficult to enforce, especially if, the husband has a lot more money, or after a few years the husband has a lot more money. And if there are children at some point, you can pretty much forget enforcing a prenup. The courts bend over backwards to toss prenups. And for couples where neither has money, they'll probably decide to forgo a prenup---or else they find out a lawyer charges a lot more than they can afford for it.
David Ronin
2024-11-20 05:01:37 +0000 UTC@ATH-YF - Certainly there IS an element of truth to this, as I contend that MARRIAGE predates and fundamentally exists OUTSIDE of social institutions and structures: https://chatgpt.com/share/673d6806-bec0-800a-a775-872d55ee0f16
Joseph Omega
2024-11-20 04:40:10 +0000 UTC@Jose Thomas - My position is that MARRIAGE is the PRIMAL SOURCE of the other social licenses -- a guaranteed stable and successful marriage tends to decide on and produce stable and successful and well-adjusted children, as well as stable and honest electoral choices (even if you don't necessarilly agree with them) -- single frustrated and socially indoctrinated women and reactionary men all too often make POOR, self-defeating choices in the voting booth.
Joseph Omega
2024-11-20 04:28:48 +0000 UTC@Jose Thomas - The vows were just intended to suggest the enormous SERIOUSNESS of the oath -- there have ALWAYS been "extenuating circumstances" (just as for the "pro-life" position "except where the life of the mother is at stake"). It's just that, even so, women STILL are reluctant to give a pledge that commits them "for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health" rather than "until I don't feel it anymore".
Joseph Omega
2024-11-20 04:20:33 +0000 UTCHonestly I think a lot of stuff should be tested on before having the rights to do it - whether it's raising a child, being allowed to vote, etc
Jose Thomas
2024-11-20 03:16:52 +0000 UTCWhat i don't get is the 'till death' part, cause now we have no fault divorce, so marriage is becoming more and more a joke. It is no longer an oath, just a government contract.
Jose Thomas
2024-11-20 03:14:15 +0000 UTCHaving the state interfere with the relationship was the first mistake. I do agree with mark passio statement regarding the definition of government and its effects on human condition.. https://youtu.be/WnLm4QO5hYc?feature=shared Peoples are finally seeing what marriage is really about for men : A legal TRAP. The relationship on the other hand can be the best thing in the world if both can plan the worst case situations and not see things only through the rose tinted glasses. The { Legion of Men } channel has a ton of examples showing why it is not an option anymore in the west due the female mind changes in combination to the legal issues and economic direction. Keep in mind the 'No fault divorce' plays into the depopulation agenda since it erode family stability and child growth even further. It only took the dehumanization of men by women via social programming to bring that outcome into effect.
ATH-YF
2024-11-20 02:54:25 +0000 UTCIt all stems from the differences in interpretation of the wedding vows between "... as long as we both shall live" (for men) and "... as long as we both shall love" (for women). Perhaps the clearing up of THIS fundamental interpretation could be used up front as a test BEFORE officially committing to the union. In general, if extensive training and tests are first required before getting licenses for operating such potentially lethal devices like cars or planes, I never understood why they are NOT required for marriages? Lives are equally at stake. 🤷♂️
Joseph Omega
2024-11-20 02:52:49 +0000 UTC
