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Is The War in Gaza Really Over? - 5CAST (#13) Ft. James Gelvin

Hey guys -

Real quick emergency pod with the Gelv.

Enjoy

AC

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Yo man Channel 5 + Professor Jiang would be lit

Adrian Lin

67

Ddyve

I feel like you’re taking this from a moral standpoint of who’s in the right and what is morally justified for the Palestinians do. They’re discussing what are the possible scenarios moving forward and what should be done given those possible scenarios. “Is it legitimate to answer with resistance” I think everyone agrees yes, but given that Israel is so much stronger than them what if violent resistance only leads to the continued slaughter of Palestinians? Is the goal being morally justified or trying to save as many Palestinians as possible? “How the incapacity of PA oppose continuous expansion affect their popularity” i don’t believe there is a party that has done any better at opposing the expansion so why does that matter? Every policy so far hasn’t worked including morally justified resistance so where do they go from there? And that was answered in the video

Jake Brantley

You missed so many important questions. Like, how the incapacity of PA to oppose the continuous expansion of israeli settlements and arbitrary militarized incursions in West Bank affects their legitimacy and popularity? Like, is it legitimate to answer with resistance (including armed resistance) to an occupation, a continuous colonial expansion, a genocide and their specific violent consequences for the palestinian people? When Goliath plans to continue their offensive on short term or long term like they did before october 7th without any other concrete and material opposition to impose a political solution (it's the conclusion of your interview), what else is to be done? Accepting to disappear or to die? I mean, after 2 years of mass destruction and disproportionate violence, you're still considering - as you conclude that there's no good ending to come - that it's better to not take a clear stance against the ongoing occupation and genocide as a red line that redefines and reconsiders anything that we could consider as a traditional conflict between two powers? I understand your general position as bridging political gaps, and I support it, but there's also some situations where we cannot assume in-between positions anymore. I wonder what are these situations for you.

René Delvaux

bro, the skrilla cut literally made me forgot what bro was talking about for a sec i was laughing so hard hahaha

Kxyl

Those AI subtitles really went bezerk at 5:35 and 9:00

Nico

This was awesome. I think you just quadrupled my knowledge about the whole conflict and now I'm even more depressed. Whee! I'm hoping maybe the next generation can do something about it, like y'all discussed. Clearly current gen is completely lost at this point...no hope.

Eli Gaultney

Still rocking that Fred Meyer flannel from the portland video!

Michael

Thank you for these interviews

Zack Dowdy

2nd MY MAN HAS SO MANY BARS IN THIS POD. WHY DO PEOPLE SCRATCH MISSING LIMBS? TRAGEDIES ARE BETTER THAN VICTORIES BECAUSE TRAGEDIES INSPIRE PEOPLE TO SET THEM RIGHT!! THE GAZA YOUTH BREAKS OUT S/O THE GAWD IS UP ON ALL THE REAL UNDERGROUND ARAB UPRISING HIPHOP.

Jamesdean00

1st JAMES GELVIN DA GAWD MUST BE PROTECTED @ ALL COST. I TRULY ENJOY ALL OF GELVINS' INSIGHT & APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT HE "HOLDS YOUR HAND WHILE YOU CROSS THE STREET" WITH ALL HIS KNOWLEDGE.

Jamesdean00

67 mentioned

Arinze Okeke-Agulu

I appreciate your willingness to listen as an interviewer and have actual educated questions as well as simplified ones. I think it helps get the point across to people from different places. Especially in long format it’s very refreshing to get a good interview with in depth understanding.

Vandall

“This literal expert on the history of the conflict and the broader area doesn’t know what he’s talking about”

Daniel

It's a sign of the times, specifically how starved for knowledge most of us are, that this guy is considered some kind of special authority. He may have written books, but he has nothing more insightful to say than anyone who reads a few articles a day about this conflict. His contribution beyond summarizing is to provide cover for Israel and the US despite his sympathy for Palestinians. One example is his certainty that US troops or special forces wouldn't enter Gaza. He "doesn't know" if the Israelis will play a role in Gaza's governance under the Trump deal (meanwhile Israel has secured military control of over half of Gaza under the ceasefire). His equation of the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. The former, it is uncontroversial to say though Gelvin declines to until much later, is a corrupt enforcer of Israeli rule. Against Gelvin's claim that there is only a tacit understanding and some apples in the cabinet, the Israeli state regularly supports settler attacks on Palestinians. Here's video documenting only the latest instance, yesterday. https://x.com/infinite_jaz/status/1979854674401341451

Ashkan

Dr. Gelvin says that the establishment of a Palestinian state is required for peace. He should clarify that this is the real sticking point, not Hamas' supposed "refusal to disarm." In fact, Hamas has pledged to surrender its weapons to the appropriate authority, a Palestinian state. But there is no Palestinian state to surrender its arms to. What exists of a government in Gaza is run by Hamas, who were elected in 2006, the last time Israel allowed elections. Gaza is under perpetual attack from Israel. Under these conditions, it is clear that Hamas doesn't have a real choice. To surrender its arms to Israel, who has been hunting it to the point of extermination, would be suicidal and an abandonment of its constituents. Disarmament today is not a real option. Isn't the "issue" of Hamas disarming better understood as yet another fabricated sticking point for Israel and the US to lean on when justifying the next attack? Or rather, the latest attack. As of writing, since October 11, Israel has killed 80 Palestinians in Gaza and wounded 303, with two Israeli soldiers killed by Palestinians.

Ashkan

Ain’t nothing quite like an ad free interview

swellpunk

13:15 for gelvin 6 7

Daniel Bayliss McKinnon

Maybe I'm not as desensitised as Prof. Gelvin, but when I saw the footage of October 7th my "logical conclusion" was not to give these guys a state. Hamas was pretty quick to follow up with threats to repeat October 7 again and again.

DW

Bro dropping big heat. Big ups C5!!

Zac Haffey

A lot to unpack here but to your first point; there are plenty of Israelis/Jews that are advocating for Palestinian/Arabs and vice-a-versa. Roots, Seeds of Peace, Standing Together (just to name a few organizations). When coexistince is the priority it truly simplifies the equation - both "sides" working against religious extremism and political violence.

DW

The amount of bad karma being generated in the world right now is insane. WW3 is going to be horrorific.

Pat

THE GOAT IS BACK!

Camilo

I think there is no hope for the Palestinians anymore at this point. Any Israeli advocating for the Palestinians is labeld a traitor and terrorist lover (maybe the Israeli journalist Gideon Levy would be an interesting person to interview, as he is regularly labeld in such fashion by the Israelis right). In order to give the Palestinians any autonomy you'd need an Israeli goverment supporting such a move which is highly unrealistic. Today way to many people living in the region were personally effected by the countless wars and seek 'security' or simply revenge at any cost. Most importantly Israel needs an external enemy to keep its founding myth of jewish unity alive which has been the hidden elephant in the room since the 50ies. The secular (socialist) Zionists who've built Israel neither loved the assimilated Jews who fled the Holocaust nor the orthodox Jews that were deemed passive and backwarded. Non of the three groups really cared about the arabic Jews who experienced their own Nakba in the 50ies due to the Israeli war of independence. The internal development of the israeli society will make the conflict only worse in the comming years as the secular jewish Israelis will become even more of a minority while religious zionism with its interpretation of conquering the holy land as gods will is growing stronger as seen in the settler movement which is aggressively seeking positions of power within Israels military and administration (something unthinkable in the early years of Israels existence, when the majority of orthodox jews at best tolerated a jewish state but mostly rejected it for theological reason - Israel was supposed to be refounded by the Messiah at the end of days - not by secular nationalists). The Palestinians will keep fighting and loosing given thats the only thing they can do, as Israel has no intention to give them anything. I do predict that within my livetime Israel will expel all Palestinians and even after they've got what they deem their territory by divine will, their conflict with its arab neighbors will remain. Ngl as a german I feel really bad about the whole thing. The international community cant and wont do shit about this as there only is a real international community when the mayor powers like China and the USA are on the same page which they arent. As long as Israel is a lucrative business partner to buy weapons and to sell spyware all the rethoric about stopping the genocide is meaningless moral marketing. The business aspect is also the main reason why Israel want to keep the Palestinians poor and dependent.

pas moi

Fantastic interview. This should be going out on all major platforms rather than the partisan simplification we see. This guy is just so good at explaining the situation.

jamie medley

Would have been funny if you ended the video 15sec in after he says "no"

Rafunk

it ain't a war

ShtanceChanger

I really respect how James avoids double standards in his perspective. It's been so disappointing seeing so many friends fall into propaganda traps where they are led to accept violence against civilians. It is always wrong. It must always be opposed, without double standards.

Tyler

Love the interview, it helps me understand the difference between how the media portrays the Peace Plan when in reality it's just another cease fire with other plans to just take away rights for Palestinians again.

D.Ohana

The 67 reference was such a jumpscare

Kyle Bowen

🫡

Mohamed mahmoud El mehdi

In 30 years, Andrew will be the old expert getting interviewed by some young journalist with how much he’s forced to cover all this terrible stuff

Gary Eddy

One Palestinian state FTW

Christopher Duran Quiroz

Cant argue with this source on point prediction.

Nina Mcmunn

C5 better than every major news network. unbiased and accurate coverage. crazy how rare that is these days

john carney

I'm curious as to what James Gelvin's opinion is on What Israel could do that causes the global nations to seriously intervene, considering how long the Palestinians have been horribly oppressed and the little land they have now

WHAMblitz

Was just finishing Portland part 2, then this drops, staying up late tonight

Schlumgus

The “67” audio clip lol

Alex Wang

Wait so you’re telling me the PLO controls the executive branch of government and hamas controls the legislative? Who’s creating these two party government systems?

Nicholas Leiber

A two state solution is pointless. That is basically what we have today. There should be one state with equal rights, and those that are no longer interested after losing majority /power can leave.

GW

Prof. Gelvin is the GOAT

DW

It’ll never be over, those bloodthirsty savages are bent on destroying every aspect of our life and the world as a whole, need to remove Tel Aviv from a map ASAP

Joshua Duarte

tldr: no

Kyle Landon

C5 is going to go on another generational run

Candelario Calderon

YOU FUCKING BEAST

Candelario Calderon


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