UK Riots (Part 2/2) - Counter Protest

Just wondering how this socialist utopia is going to materialize when you have millions showing up with their hands out? Both of these groups are not grounded in reality.

Paul setti

The comments are not the content! “I don’t drink gas but my car does.” Independent journalism needs to be supported.

Jacob Lewis

The people are in control, we just need to realize it. The way views are touted about nowadays is thick and we all need a shovel.

Jacob Lewis

“It’s alright Steve”

Jacob Lewis

bye bitch

trythinking

They will kill you if you try and leave peacefully. It is a Trojan horse

Will Watrous

Your line of thinking has some points but has a flaw that many people struggle with: picking sides. People are just trying to survive, to think that this is all a ploy to have people vote left (cause they somehow would all do that) is wrong. I’ve worked in low income, diverse communities and they mainly care about protecting their family, making ends meet, and setting up the next generation. Jobs that migrants take happen to be under the table because it can be hard to obtain on the books jobs for them: language barriers, experience, establishing identity. Again, as the video serves to explain. The context of these issues is bigger than “They are stealing our jobs and using up our resources”… they literally leave their homelands because they are unlivable, and sometimes it’s war that politicians cause over our heads.

Christian Rodriguez

Idk I think Andrew should narrate his commentary on this video that he wrote in the post. Reading the comments, many seem to be ignoring the point you were making and descending into anti-immigrant/anti-“communist” rhetoric and anti-“fascist” rhetoric. Demonizing each other just like they were meant to while the people in charge profit.

Arthur

you actually took a breather and wrote the essence of it. Nice...... We thank you

MySelf69

I’m scared of Islam not because I don’t understand it but because my MIL “escaped” it, as she puts it.

Jori Vajretti

Check out Spud’s War Mode Doc Coimhlint….nvm it’s not on YouTube anymore https://archive.org/embed/war_mode__coimhlint

Mistah Cool Slug

Troubles doc please

Shane Harney

Tanzania is pretty chill. That North Korea part tells me you just don't know what your talking about. Plenty of liberal social democracies out there to choose from, that are not authocratic or totalitarian dictatorships.

Adam Englund

Also thank you for this piece 💖

Heather Christeson

it's ignorant and uneducated comments like this why I am unsubbing from this channel. have a nice life

Hamish

The real enemy of working class people are the systems that oppress them, the same system that puts profits over people Not your community

Rodolfo A

I cant get over how important of a time were living in, hope everyone can reach a level if enlightment before its too late.

Liam Anderson

Yeah and the same failure to communicate is just playing out again in these comment sections. I don't think there's really any honest attempt by either side to understand the other's reasoning or why they might hold their opinions. Instead it's all demonization and the same "commie" "fascist" namecalling you always see. As usually I think there's some truth in both sides and reality lies somewhere in the middle.

Tony R

Bro, do you know where you are?

Franklin E Oaks

As somebody who is Gaelic, the closest to native people that we have in the UK, it's unpleasant to see the comments on these videos. I'm assuming it is American viewers who have misunderstood the content / context. These people aren't crazy "communist's" you should be scared of. They just believe people should be fairly paid for the work that they do, and given the respect they deserve. To me this is not controversial. Never be turned against each other, brawd. Diolch x

Oven Owl Bell

Where do you have in mind? Out of the states that are founded on Marxism-Leninism, there's China, Cuba, Laos, and Vietnam. Then there's a list of countries with constitutional references to socialism: Algeria, Bangladesh, Eritrea, Guinea-Bissau, Guyana, India, North Korea, Portugal, Nepal, Nicaragua, Sri Lanka, and Tanzania. I was surprised to see Venezuela is part of a "non-socialist states with governing socialist parties" category, which adds some nuance to the whole thing. I'd love to see the correspondents in North Korea, because imagine those cute little zoom-in video edits while our correspondents are kinda fearing for their lives 🤗 or Tanzania, because what d'you think life is even like in Tanzania?! I bet it'd be pretty cool. They should take you up on the idea, especially if they're gonna do North Korea with cute photo edits or an exposé on socialist living in Tanzania.

Jungle Zack

at least the counter protesters had all their teeth

Eike777

Andrew using “standing on business” as a descriptor for why a group of people were protesting is exactly why he’s the 🐐

Emmett Medaris

I’d love to see some coverage on the positives and negatives in existing socialist societies.

LC

wow. thanks for making this. scary how angry and disconnect all these people are. good luck to us all.....

Sjonny3000

What an unhelpful and nasty comment. Why are you here?

CODY M.

No one wins

A Long

its always the big ugly fat dumb women on the liberal side. go make a sandwich lady and stfu

trythinking

Wonderful reporting lads, keep up the good work. 🇬🇧5️⃣5️⃣5️⃣

Trey

Love it

Daniel Downes

humans are fucking wild

Kirby

Welcome to Communist Britain! 1984 made reality in 2024

Jim Jones

"we need to end capitalism" as said by people who can't even quit twitter. Pathetic fantasy world they live in.

Tom

Racism and Islamopohia are disgusting, but that doesn't magically make Islam any less sexist and homophobic. Fight the right - in all forms.

Tom

LGBTQ standing for a nation that sees them as sub-human is peak sheltered whites. Don't bomb kids, that's easy. But that doesn't make Palestine your ally.

Tom

@Edin Thank you for your thoughtful response. You’re correct in that I have not engaged with communist ideology in recent years, however, in university many of my fellow students were marxist, communist, democratic socialists, or had sympathies towards these ideologies. So it isn’t a foreign concept to me. Moreover, I’ve spent a good deal of time in the great state of Florida where many Cuban immigrants have fled communism, and their disdain for the ideology (or perhaps poor implementation of the ideology) has impacted my worldview. 
 You’re correct in that, like almost any other political ideology, communism developed “dialectically” and faced “regional cleavage” (.)(.)
 You say that the issue with the instances you listed (URSS, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, North Korean) is an “inside problem” and did not align with the particular “cultural and ideological” situations in those societies. I disagree. I think that the material issue with communism will be present in any flavor of communism and any implementation. There can be implementations of certain political ideas that stray FAR from the original theory, but still are fairly functional. For example, In the United States, the “capitalist” and “libertarian” ideologies that can be found almost unanimously amongst the framers of the constitution have been bastardized considerably, to the point where the an unelected central bank can directly manipulate the money supply and cost of capital of a single mandated federal money which the government can borrow from the central bank indefinitely and allocate discretionally. That reality moves considerably away from the original libertarian capitalst ideology of the framers. However, you can still paint with a broad brush and call the USA in its current form “capitalist” or “crony capitalist” and say that broadly it is “working” (most people are not starving, innovative new companies can be built there, property rights are maintained etc). There are many nuances and specifics of the implementation of both “capitalism” and “communism” and my comment not going into that detail was not due to my belief that “communism is a crystallized ideology in which nothing is diverse”. I don’t believe that about any political or social ideology. This format just limits the scope of our conversation, so I have to paint broadly. 

My point is that, broadly, capitalism creates an inherent incentive to generate value and trade that value to acquire capital. When free trade takes place, by definition, value must be created (as long as both parties are not under duress). Create enough value, and you acquire capital. Once you acquire capital you are now a steward of that capital. If you allocate it poorly, you lose it, or some of it, or you do not compound it as rapidly. If you allocate it productively, you gain more of it, and compound it. This means that over time capitalism can scale value creation and compounding.

 My point with communism, broadly, is that communism puts government officials at the helm of allocating capital, and reduces property rights for individuals. Since the government has no proven track record in efficient capital allocation, it typically fails to compound the growth of that capital, slowing production of the society. With fewer property rights, the incentive to create massive value is reduced, and innovation decreases. This causes a trendline of net wealth destruction. Maybe a more equitable distribution of wealth, but a shrinking tide will lower all boats. 
 
“you can see white and not white people starting from a concept of community opposing a monstruous development of anti-migration ideology turning into political blind violence” - This I agree with. I am against anti-immagraiton policy. I am very pro-immigration, and I believe my country especially (USA) was built by immigrants, for immigrants. I believe capitalism and immigration can coexist and thrive together. “… means to put into system the conditions of marginality and oppression to create a loose dialogue on how to create a new contro-hegemonic culture” - Where I’m from just because you are an immigrant ethnicity doesn’t mean you must remain “oppressed” I believe the goal should be equality under the law, and over time immigrant populations and local populations will meld and diffuse together. It takes a couple generations, but is a net benefit to society if the society can withstand the acute challenges. 

 If by “contro-hegemonic culture” you mean that there should be some ruling or political class that centrally plans how this diffusion occurs, I vehemently disagree. The USA is an experiment in mass immigration, and I believe it has been incredibly successful (generally, not totally). The government is there to set the rules of the road and ensure that everyone has their rights and liberties granted to them and respected by law. They are not there to plan the economy, impose themselves on peoples lives, or organize the cultural framework of the society. Individuals and communities do that and the aggregate manifests itself naturally, not the forceful decisions of a few in government. “Take into practice what i think this channel try to pass: radical empathy towards all forms of expression, developing the ability to capacity to understand the complexity of existence into the interregnum that we are living”
 
I will and please do the same. I understand that there are many class struggles across the world. Improvements in society can be made, but I urge you to not let your sense of empathy cause you to blindly follow a path that leads to the net destruction of wealth in your nation. It is not empathetic to threaten property rights, in the long run, it makes society poorer. Economic growth is not evil, it is inherently good. It feeds more people, builds more housing, makes information and education more accessible, etc. Wealth is a good thing, and disdain for the ultra wealth is not a justification for the mass destruction of wealth, because that would result in mass poverty, and make all worse off.

I think a lot of the struggle in the working class (in the USA, and also you can hear from the blue-collar guy in part 1/2 of the UK riots series) is the destruction of wealth in the middle class mostly due to globalization, automation, and labor demands in this evolving economy. On the “right” it seems this pain has been channeled against immigrants or other ethnicities. On the “left” this pain has been channeled against capitalism. Both are misguided. 
 
Free markets, free speech, free people, prosperous society. That is the empathetic stance imo.

Jangle

@Johan Communism exists in the same way racism exists. It exists in the same way money, governments, or limited liability companies exist. Communism is a broad term for beliefs and ideologies held by humans that can inspire mass action according to those beliefs and stories told and understood by many humans.

Jangle

@garrett In Edin's response, he said he is Italian, so I assume English is his second language. Given that assumption, I think he was fairly articulate (even though I disagree with many parts of his response).

Jangle

Both sides are failing to communicate. This is a global systemic issue of miscommunication and semantics.

Kegan

I just can’t take them seriously both sides they sound so silly, do they do that on purpose? Like at home when it’s just them in their home do they still sound ridiculous? Anyway thank you channel 5

Isaac McGrgeor

Hope Channel 5 London pops off

Thegoodstuff

communism is the answer brother

JG

This is the kind of journalism we all need especially during ̶E̶l̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ distraction season.

Laurence Roy

If communism doesn’t exist, how is it worse than racism and islamophobia?

Johan Markström

How do you conclude that?

djdeutschebahn

Andrew you and the team are doing some great things, thank you!

jake

Read the word “problematical” and stopped reading lol

Garrett Bibb

Yeah, while giving you the chanche to survive the terrible management of the last 30 years of neoliberal policy in Uk. I can smell the tears of people who are not understanding the phase. Please, open you heart to diversity, or sink in the contradiction of old Europe.

Edin Kovacevic

Hi man, idk where you come from, but i care to respond briefly to your comment. Communism it's a loose ideology, which means that there is an ideological basis that started with Marx and Engels and then developed dialectically on the specificity of regional cleavages and social contradiction. That means that of course the historical development of marxism it has been often problematical. URSS, Jugoslavia, Venezuela, North Korean and so on. And often the problem it's an inside problem on not recognizing how the transformation of the political analysis does to the material, cultural and ideological level of the peculiar development. But here it's the biggest problem of your analysis. You take communism as a crystallized ideology in which nothing is diverse. From Marx to today problems there are thousands of different approaches and for me here is the beauty of a democratic vision of what socialism is. In this video, you can see white and not white people starting from a concept of community opposing a monstruous development of anti-migration ideology turning into political blind violence. And for me that's an historical development of the contradiction of a liberal society that marginalized people, that use migration as a source of surplus exraction of both services and production. Neoliberalism that has been the hegemonic direction of our lives, working condition and social relationships inside the western world now it's crumbling into its deep contractions and contradictions. To be a communist today for me and many comrades in Italy (i'm not part of any party, just base collectives with national coordination) it means to put into system the conditions of marginality and oppression to create a loose dialogue on how to create a new contro-hegemonic culture. Please, seeing that you want to explain people what things are without studying them and putting into actions your thoughts, take a moment of silence during your days and listen to the other part. Take into practice what i think this channel try to pass: radical empathy towards all forms of expression, developing the ability to capacity to understand the complexity of existence into the interregnum that we are living. A hug from who everyday struggle living the present and building the future, and not dwelving into the mistakes from the past. Let's all fight the monsters of the present

Edin Kovacevic

agreed. everyone says communism is great, and as a principle maybe is, but it practice it can never work. give one example of when communism has turned out well.

Joel Stephenson

Remind me of the time communism was great? (At a country-wide scale)

Hunter Seufert

Most of these people are not running away from war. They are just looking to improve their financial situation on our behalf.

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Too bad they're all communists.

Jangle

Communism means the state allocates scarce resources. This is always less efficient than a free or well-regulated market. At best, the state cripples innovation. With enough incompetence, malice, or greed it can decimate (or worse) the capacity for the society to produce. The pure free market does have gaps. For example, certain costs of production like environmental strain may be socialized, but the profits derived are still privatized. However critics of capitalism tend to complain that wealth created by society is not being evenly distributed throughout the working class. They take for granted positive GDP growth and wealth creation as if it is a foregone conclusion. it is not. If the government stifles free exchange enough, especially if the populace loses property rights, the scale of wealth destruction can cause mass famine and death, not just "muh cost of living". Fundamentally capitalism via property rights and the right to exchange between private parties creates wealth. If a trade takes place and neither party is under duress, value is created. At scale this creates prosperity. Communism destroys wealth by confiscating all golden eggs, and destroying any incentive to create the geese that lay them.

Jangle

Been watching closely from Aus. So good to see big crowds of antifascists out in response like that. Gives me hope for England

Scott Lucas

Communism can be great, but humans are too sheepish to realize that their desires matter less than the needs of the common people.

Franklin E Oaks

Wtf. Most of these desperate people are fleeing wars and have no homes to go back to. If the shoe was on the other foot would you like someone saying that about the people you love the most?

Paul Seal

Racism and islamophobia are disgusting, communism is arguably worse.

Jangle

judging by many of the interviews it seems the much more present risk is communism/socialism

Jangle

feel should of better highlighted the true gross levels of violence and racism displayed in these riots. White men stopping cars at junctions to check passengers are white, kicking in front doors of innocent families in non white areas and burning hotels housing migrant seekers. Its a disgraceful time to live in the UK as a white man, and cant imagine how frightening it must be as any other race, religion or gender

Ethen Gaylard

We should find ways to hurt the immigrants and drive them back

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3:46 I am sure what this very grounded woman spoke out must ruffle American feathers. It’s semantics, luvs. I immigrated here in 2019 and, not only are there minimal amounts of guns, there is also free BASIC healthcare for all. And what I mean by that is free basics. Richer people are absolutely allowed to go private; we just don’t pay PREMIUMS per month or have our private healthcare denied by insurance companies. No red tape. No prescription drug reps. No ads on tellies. And I am telling you, far less homeless people. After all, and as you know, many homeless people in America suffered one catastrophic medical event and were caused to be without homes. I am sooooo happy about Harris/Walz and I hope you are too. God bless and amen. 🇬🇧

Gilena Simons

I disagree. I feel like both sides were pretty accurately represented. On the anti-immigrant side there are xenophobes and racists, straight up, but also people like the guy who said he is just there for his family and he believes he is there so that his kids don't have to fight the same battles. Now, I don't agree with him, but I understand where he comes from and I think that's the point of this kind of reporting: empathy.

Kamal Ortiz

the audio neads fades on the clip's starts and ends so you don't get those pops my guys

pleasure.band

Gtfo here with that

Scott Lucas

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We don’t fuck with custers! 😤

Robert Miller

I don't believe me saying it's nice that someone was empathetic towards a different view on immigration than their own and/or not including their points on capitalism makes me brainwashed and it's kind of wild to imply that (also I don't know what mms means). That aside you're absolutely right about the larger context brought up on it being a issue with capitalism and it's consequences. I was only originally trying to point out that his point of violence not being the answer and how everyone should be treated respectfully as well as his point of it being a matter that's much more than "too many people immigrating" than some people are okay with and how the focus should be on the terrible things many countries are doing/supporting that leads to people needing to leave their homes and go elsewhere for safety or a chance at prosperity.

Levi Blair

4:01

DonettaTrump

You missed his opening points and full subject matter. Cherry picking the one issue mms has brainwashed you with. 'Immigration' It's a Global failure of capitalism.! Both speakers at 217 and 117 note that and preface with unique points on capitalism. Then offered view on the two party's. On war criminals.

DonettaTrump

☆☆☆

DonettaTrump

@1:16 feels like a 🎯! With very little knowledge of this specific event. His words hold value.

DonettaTrump

Kick rocks simps

DonettaTrump

Why was this released the same day on YouTube? Un subbing from patreon

Ryan Fite

Powerful message at the end

Wylcey Keep

I feel it’s kinda a bummer that a lot of stuff shown on one side was focused on their gnarly teeth and them screaming cringe things into the mic and not a lot of just regular people. Assuming that there were regular people there. Opposed to the just chill people talking on the counter protest side. I think regardless of what the people are saying you can really lean the message of the protest by the spokespeople shown. Not really politically involved just kinda bummed in feeling I’m not getting unbiased reporting.

Cole Dandy

Thank you, Andrew! It would be helpful if you add some context at the start of part 1 for people coming in cold

Cory Chea

The majority of our migrants work in significant services in the country like the national health system. Also as our country is much smaller, whilst we have an issue with underpaying and basically modern slavery, it is significantly smaller as an issue. It is much harder to break the law with salaries especially if someone has a right to work and we don't need landscapers in large quantities. Your comment is not particularly accurate for the UK.

Nat04

Also thank you for covering this I didn't think I'd see the day we had Ch5 on our shores 🙏❤️

Nat04

This is really well done, but they aren't 'arab youts', Pakistanis aren't Arabs and most the people I just saw were Pakistanis (sorry to be that person)

Nat04

Andrew Tate has a micropenis 🗣️🗣️🗣️

Pat

Channel 5 Worldwide baby!🌎5️⃣🖐️🗣️‼️

Gaius

Now THIS ....is fucking.....JOURNALISM. God bless Andrew Callahan 🙏 🙌 ❤️

adrian houston

I really respect the man speaking at 2:17. His points of involvement and perpetuation of foreign conflict leading to mass immigration for the sake of said immigrants safety is really looking at the larger picture in a calm and reasonable way. His wording on how he would respect the people's opinions who want less immigration is not just empathetic but also clear on how he offers the point that if you want less people trying to immigrate then focus on what's causing the need to immigrate rather than villainizing the people who are immigrating. If people didn't have a desperate need to escape their country due to conflicts heavily enabled and perpetuated by larger countries including GB then those who don't want heavy (perceived heavy) immigration wouldn't have to worry about this perceived problem. I'm not saying immigration needs to be stopped or that it's reasonable to not want immigrants simply because they are immigrants or "different" just that I appreciate it when people like the man I mentioned take the calm and understanding approach.

Levi Blair

This is literally how it started and I feel like the US is too big to actually fall into Fascism even if Trump is elected in November which seems unlikely at this point. The UK also has worst economic outlook than the US.

Will Hair

You know local communities benefit from the welfare policies too right? I don't think the left needs voters imported to justify policies that support others lmfao.

Adam Cade

Watch a documentary about how Hitler got elected then lmfao. Germany was democratic and Nazis scapegoated racial minorities, sexual minorities, and Jews and somehow voters bought it, suddenly their democracy crumbled.

Adam Cade

girl die

Adam Cade

explain how our country could become like nazi germany or italy with Mussolini, pls enlihten me

big cock and balls Lou

thankyou.

big cock and balls Lou

It is nice to hear people talk in full sentences on both sides, no clips and minimal opinion pieces.

sanex

I think this is some of the best reporting Channel 5 has done. Thanks to contributors and to Andrew for coalescing all these sources. I think the best thing Channel 5 has done in the recent past is connect internationally. I really appreciate the effort to extend these information networks globally and to try and develop dialogues internationally because I think one of our biggest issues these days as a species is that the internet is actually insulating us from one another along political and international lines and it genuinely feels like forces like Channel 5 are able to fight that by helping me understand what is actually going on in the hearts and minds of people very far from where I am not only geographically but also politically, so that I can take people seriously and be taken seriously, and have a better sense of what is going through their heads before, during, and after, I speak with those around me. Very ameliorative dialogues going on thanks guys you're doing good work

Liam Rothwell-Pessino

nomorjeets

Dasha

Worldwide Channel 5 🌎

Jt crout

Great video thank you

Brandon Johnson

Interesting how both sides want to tear down the system for different reasons. What a mess

Tylo

Genuinely eye-opening, thanks

sanex

Corrupt governments love the migrants for 2 reasons: they fill low income under the table jobs like nannies and landscapers, and they are future voters for the left that give them the welfare that should be going to the local communities. It is all about money and votes.

youmebangbang

We need borders like we need front doors. Tear em off the hinges and let whoever in. Probably will just share your bed with a homeless guy nbd

Michael Pelletier

The UK could actually turn into a fascist country faster than the US and people aren't ready for that convo

Will Hair

Love that you’re able to cover a wider variety of current events/issues with the help of your team

Mxrgxn

here: https://www.patreon.com/posts/uk-riots-part-1-109815067

Junpei Leetmaster

where is part 1 lol?

Owen Degen